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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostActually, it showed that it was a bipartisan process, and 3 of the 5 articles stood.
It is actually fact and totally relevant - both sides did their counts because they knew that this had to be something that was not seen as entirely one-sided. They knew there was the likelihood that Nixon would be both impeached, and removed, because the situation was that clearly deteriorating to both sides.
An actual crime had been committed - that was established fact. The tapes were the "smoking gun" that showed there was absolutely a reason to proceed with impeachment and attempt at removal.
You're going to believe what you want to believe, Jim, but in the Nixon example, both sides knew it had to look like it was an absolutely necessary thing.
You appear to have been discussing this as an adult, and we really don't need to get into this "exploding heads" nonsense.
Perhaps it's your biased/partisan state of mind that can't see this is all "show" -- all the leaks, all the false allegations, all the public charades...
No, the whole point of doing the counts - on both sides - was that they realized this was a serious enough thing that it didn't need to happen if it wasn't actually going to work.
No, Jim, it's not even close.Last edited by JimL; 11-09-2019, 10:26 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, we can agree to disagree then, the process may end up being partisan, but that has nothing to do with the decision to be made, i.e. whether to undergo the process of impeachment or not. The Costitution, upholding it in the face of it's being contested is what's important, not whether one side in their thirst for power is unwilling to uphold their oath to protect it. If the party, the team, the immediate power, is more important to them and to you than the constituiton and the rule of law itself is, and for that immediate power you allow it to be trampled upon by a lawless enemy of it, then we will lose it, and deserve its loss. Watch the hearings!
If, for example, the Democrats really cared about the nation as a whole, they wouldn't be proceeding in such a jackass manner with extreme partisans carrying their water.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBoth parties care more about their own party than the country as a whole, Jim. I know you like to believe your guys are virtuous, but I'm tired of the whole lot of them.If, for example, the Democrats really cared about the nation as a whole, they wouldn't be proceeding in such a jackass manner with extreme partisans carrying their water.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBoth parties care more about their own party than the country as a whole, Jim.
I know you like to believe your guys are virtuous, but I'm tired of the whole lot of them.
If, for example, the Democrats really cared about the nation as a whole, they wouldn't be proceeding in such a jackass manner with extreme partisans carrying their water.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, and this Impeachment is evidence that ....
As for your "stop defending people like Trump" comment - you're back to your old ways.
I'm done with you on this.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's evidence that we are an incredibly divided nation, Jim, and both sides will do what they can to stay in power.
As for your "stop defending people like Trump" comment - you're back to your old ways.
I'm done with you on this.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat was not a personal attack, CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHypocrisy, CP, hypocrisy. "The liberals this," "the liberals that." If you can't take criticism of any kind for any thing, then don't be a dishin' it out!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's evidence that we are an incredibly divided nation, Jim, and both sides will do what they can to stay in power.
Salvation requires a Democratic House and Senate.
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostThe propaganda of the right is the reason that the country is polarized.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostDemocracies stop working when money corrupts the system so badly that even public opinion is for sale. This seems to be the situation particularly on the right where the propaganda machinery is totally out of control. The propaganda of the right is the reason that the country is polarized. The other side are playing with a straight bat; I know because I am paying attention to both sides.
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