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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was taught in basic police school this "it's ok to lie to get a confession" -- I never felt comfortable with that, but, yeah - it happens FAR more than you'd ever imagine.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, the Senate is only 'scrupulous' if they convict?
Can we see the testimony under oath, subject to cross-examination first, please?
But, yes, you're pretty much admitting this is all political, like I stated before - it's a "show trial", the ultimate outcome of which will probably be the way people vote in an upcoming election.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThey obviously did that to a naive person without a lawyer present. Cohen is a lawyer himself, and was also represented by a team of lawyers.
Why wouldn't he have taken that deal? He had nothing to lose.Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-08-2019, 10:43 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey obviously did that to a naive person without a lawyer present. Cohen is a lawyer himself, and was also represented by a team of lawyers.
It's not at all unusual for a lawyer to convince his client "you MIGHT be found not guilty, but if you plead to this misdemeanor, I can pretty well guaranty no jail time and only probation and community service" as opposed to doing 15 years in prison if you happen to lose. It literally happens all the time, Jim.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, they have shown themselves to be pretty unscupulous regardless, which was my point.
Can't wait, although much of it is already been out there for your consumption.
No, it is not a "show trial" by which I assume you to mean "not legit".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostNo. This is an investigation. Early days.
An impeachment inquiry has begun
Here is a link to the memorandum in question.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou say this like it isn't a foregone conclusion. Of course Pelosi is going to "do impeachment". That was the plan from day one when Democrats took control of the House in 2018. The only reason she has feigned hesitation is because of unexpectedly losing seats in the Senate which really upset their plans, because otherwise there is no doubt in my mind that they would have voted for impeachment and removal from office on the first day Congress was back in session in early 2019.
Plan B, of course, was to keep the sham "inquiry" going late into 2020 in order to tip the scales against Trump during the general election, but with Barr and Durham getting ready to open a can of you-know-what, the Democrats have had to put impeachment on the fast-track. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out, but chances are good that low-info sky-screamers like you are going to be bitterly disappointed yet again.
Personally, I think it is the duty of every POTUS to look after the office and had it over in good or better condition when he leaves. He is not there just to not get caught committing crimes.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIf the investigation turns up some wrongdoing, and there are no consequences, the leader of the free world has set a new standard of swampiness.
Personally, I think it is the duty of every POTUS to look after the office and had it over in good or better condition when he leaves.
He is not there just to not get caught committing crimes.
2) Let's see if there is actually a formal charge of an actual crime under oath and subject to cross-examination.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostIf the investigation turns up some wrongdoing, and there are no consequences, the leader of the free world has set a new standard of swampiness.
Personally, I think it is the duty of every POTUS to look after the office and had it over in good or better condition when he leaves. He is not there just to not get caught committing crimes.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThey've been investigating Trump since before he was even elected. If they haven't found conclusive evidence of wrongdoing by now, then they never will.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostMueller catalogued his crimes for posterity.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThere are several instances of obstruction. I will get a list. While you are waiting:
Charities such as the one Mr Trump and his three eldest children headed cannot engage in politics, the judge ruled.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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