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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was taught in basic police school this "it's ok to lie to get a confession" -- I never felt comfortable with that, but, yeah - it happens FAR more than you'd ever imagine.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, the Senate is only 'scrupulous' if they convict?
Can we see the testimony under oath, subject to cross-examination first, please?
But, yes, you're pretty much admitting this is all political, like I stated before - it's a "show trial", the ultimate outcome of which will probably be the way people vote in an upcoming election.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThey obviously did that to a naive person without a lawyer present. Cohen is a lawyer himself, and was also represented by a team of lawyers.
Why wouldn't he have taken that deal? He had nothing to lose.Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-08-2019, 10:43 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey obviously did that to a naive person without a lawyer present. Cohen is a lawyer himself, and was also represented by a team of lawyers.
It's not at all unusual for a lawyer to convince his client "you MIGHT be found not guilty, but if you plead to this misdemeanor, I can pretty well guaranty no jail time and only probation and community service" as opposed to doing 15 years in prison if you happen to lose. It literally happens all the time, Jim.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, they have shown themselves to be pretty unscupulous regardless, which was my point.
Can't wait, although much of it is already been out there for your consumption.
No, it is not a "show trial" by which I assume you to mean "not legit".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHasn't Pelosi given the green light for impeachment?“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostNo. This is an investigation. Early days.
An impeachment inquiry has begun
Those eager for the start of an official inquiry by the U.S. House Judiciary Committee into the possible impeachment of President Trump need wait no longer.
A memorandum, submitted by the committee on July 26 to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia and signed by the general counsel of the U.S. House of Representatives, makes clear that such an inquiry has begun.
The memorandum is in support of an application for access to all redactions of grand jury material in the Mueller report, in grand jury materials referenced in the report, and to any grand jury testimony or material directly related to four topics. The topics include the president’s knowledge of Russian interference in the 2016 election, links and contacts of his associates directly or indirectly with Russia, and criminal acts by anyone associated with his administration or campaign.
Under Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, a judge may grant access to confidential grand jury material when sought in preparation for, or use in, a judicial proceeding. The committee urges that an impeachment investigation is a judicial proceeding for purposes of this exception to grand jury secrecy.
Here is a link to the memorandum in question.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou say this like it isn't a foregone conclusion. Of course Pelosi is going to "do impeachment". That was the plan from day one when Democrats took control of the House in 2018. The only reason she has feigned hesitation is because of unexpectedly losing seats in the Senate which really upset their plans, because otherwise there is no doubt in my mind that they would have voted for impeachment and removal from office on the first day Congress was back in session in early 2019.
Plan B, of course, was to keep the sham "inquiry" going late into 2020 in order to tip the scales against Trump during the general election, but with Barr and Durham getting ready to open a can of you-know-what, the Democrats have had to put impeachment on the fast-track. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out, but chances are good that low-info sky-screamers like you are going to be bitterly disappointed yet again.
Personally, I think it is the duty of every POTUS to look after the office and had it over in good or better condition when he leaves. He is not there just to not get caught committing crimes.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIf the investigation turns up some wrongdoing, and there are no consequences, the leader of the free world has set a new standard of swampiness.
Personally, I think it is the duty of every POTUS to look after the office and had it over in good or better condition when he leaves.
He is not there just to not get caught committing crimes.
2) Let's see if there is actually a formal charge of an actual crime under oath and subject to cross-examination.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostIf the investigation turns up some wrongdoing, and there are no consequences, the leader of the free world has set a new standard of swampiness.
Personally, I think it is the duty of every POTUS to look after the office and had it over in good or better condition when he leaves. He is not there just to not get caught committing crimes.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThey've been investigating Trump since before he was even elected. If they haven't found conclusive evidence of wrongdoing by now, then they never will.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostMueller catalogued his crimes for posterity.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCare to list those CRIMES here?
A New York judge has ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2m (£1.6m) for misusing funds from his charity to finance his 2016 political campaign.
The Donald J Trump Foundation closed down in 2018. Prosecutors had accused it of working as "little more than a chequebook" for Mr Trump's interests.
Charities such as the one Mr Trump and his three eldest children headed cannot engage in politics, the judge ruled.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThere are several instances of obstruction. I will get a list. While you are waiting:
Charities such as the one Mr Trump and his three eldest children headed cannot engage in politics, the judge ruled.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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