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NEW: Biden Is Off the Ohio General Election Ballot
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Here, nobody is actively trying to keep Biden off the ballot. They had a law already in place with a deadline, that applies to all candidates. All the DNC has to do is obey the law and Biden is on the ballot. Whether Biden gets on the ballot is entirely up to the DNC. There is no campaign to try to remove him from the ballot like there was with Trump. It is entirely passive on the part of Ohio. They have a law. The DNC can obey it or flout it. It's their choice. They still have plenty of time to fix it.
The law's the law and if the law requires constant waivers the law should be changed to accommodate. But, until then, Democrats should expect to not get any favors. And if Republicans aren't willing to extend the same graces to Democrats that they offer themselves, they (and their affiliates) ought not to complain when the rule of law is similarly brought to bear against their interests.
-Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThis problem is entirely of the DNC's own making.
-Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View Post
That's my position, yes. With the caveats that 1) Republicans have historically granted themselves waivers for this exact scenario and are so exercising rank hypocrisy and 2) we know full well how folks on this forum who have complained that applying the rule of law to other candidates is undemocratic (or, more recently, that an elected official serving prison time during his elected term would be "nullifying" the democratic will of the people) were this NYS Democrats using "lawfare" to keep Trump off the ballot.
The law's the law and if the law requires constant waivers the law should be changed to accommodate. But, until then, Democrats should expect to not get any favors. And if Republicans aren't willing to extend the same graces to Democrats that they offer themselves, they (and their affiliates) ought not to complain when the rule of law is similarly brought to bear against their interests.
-SamSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Are you saying that Ohio regularly issues waivers to the Republican party for missing the filing deadline? I tried several search queries but can't find any information to support this.
-Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View Post
However, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said the legislature needs to make the fix.
“I have every confidence that it’s going to get done,” he said Tuesday. “No one should worry, they’re going to be able to vote for the president or the former president, whoever they want to vote for. You know, this is not going to be a situation where the president’s name is not on the ballot. So it’s either going to be done by the court, or it’s going to be done by the legislature.”
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Originally posted by Sam View Post
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sam View Post
That's my position, yes. With the caveats that 1) Republicans have historically granted themselves waivers for this exact scenario and are so exercising rank hypocrisy and 2) we know full well how folks on this forum who have complained that applying the rule of law to other candidates is undemocratic (or, more recently, that an elected official serving prison time during his elected term would be "nullifying" the democratic will of the people) were this NYS Democrats using "lawfare" to keep Trump off the ballot.
The law's the law and if the law requires constant waivers the law should be changed to accommodate. But, until then, Democrats should expect to not get any favors. And if Republicans aren't willing to extend the same graces to Democrats that they offer themselves, they (and their affiliates) ought not to complain when the rule of law is similarly brought to bear against their interests.
-Sam
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Originally posted by Sam View PostSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I see. So unlike you suggested, Ohio is not being hypocritical or playing favorites but has issued waivers for both parties twice in the past. In this case, it's just the Democrats asking for special treatment, so Ohio is not being inconsistent denying the request. To mirror you sentiments, "Republicans won't bail them out, nor should they expect them too."
The Republicans voted 8 (out of 210) to oust the speaker. The Democrats voted 208 (out of 208) to oust the speaker.
I Sam's mind, this was "Democrats doing nothing"
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostLooks like this was done when both sides screwed up and both sides approved the "one time" waiver. Not exactly as you presented it. Also, looks like only one side learned its lesson.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostLooks like this was done when both sides screwed up and both sides approved the "one time" waiver. Not exactly as you presented it. Also, looks like only one side learned its lesson.Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I see. So unlike you suggested, Ohio is not being hypocritical or playing favorites but has issued waivers for both parties twice in the past. In this case, it's just the Democrats asking for special treatment, so Ohio is not being inconsistent denying the request. To mirror you sentiments, "Republicans won't bail them out, nor should they expect them too."
-Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View Post
If Ohio Republicans are willing to waive the 90-day restriction when their convention is impacted but not when the Democratic convention is impacted, that is definitional hypocrisy. The principle doesn't matter at all — they'll waive the deadline if they get something out of it and they won't waive the deadline if they don't, even as they have relied on such waivers in the past and will rely on such waivers in the future.
-Sam
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Originally posted by Sam View PostIf Ohio Republicans are willing to waive the 90-day restriction when their convention is impacted but not when the Democratic convention is impacted, that is definitional hypocrisy. The principle doesn't matter at all — they'll waive the deadline if they get something out of it and they won't waive the deadline if they don't, even as they have relied on such waivers in the past and will rely on such waivers in the future.
-SamSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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