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It isn't often that I find myself agreeing with McConnell, but he hit the nail squarely on the head here. The Democrats realize that Schiff and Nadler blew it bad and want a do-over this time in the Senate.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah, he doesn't get to make the verdict. The constitution says he "presides" over the trial. Kind of like Noddler did in the house, I suppose. But that means he could probably decide to allow the liberals to call witnesses too. He is probably a lot more impartial than Noddler was.
It says he acts more like a criminal trial judge. That's more like referee than active participant.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think - and I'll try to find it - that the Chief Justice is there more in the role of judge, in that he doesn't actually take an active part in the trial, but regulates the flow and resolves disputes.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt isn't often that I find myself agreeing with McConnell, but he hit the nail squarely on the head here. The Democrats realize that Schiff and Nadler blew it bad and want a do-over this time in the Senate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAlso I believe the Constitution says the Senate trial will be led by the Chief Justice of SCOTUS. John Roberts. So it is possible that he could decide to call witnesses. Any decisions he makes in the trial can be overturned by 51% of the Senators though. And the final vote has to be 2/3rds in order to convict.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt's up to the house to interview the witnesses and do the investigation. They are the "prosecution" - if they cannot prove their case, the Senate (judge and jury) must acquit. They haven't proven anything. The Articles of impeachment contain no actual evidence, just accusations. Very weakly worded.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostTrump has not been impeached yet.
If he is, the trial takes place in the Senate.
McConnell decides how that trial process works. He is likely to skip straight to exoneration because he does not want the public to hear the case. There has been no prosecution at this point, only obstructed fact finding.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIs there any doubt he will be?
Yes, we're quite aware of that, though it's more the "punishment phase" of the trial.
I'd agree that the bungled mess the House has made can't actually be called "prosecution" -- more like a bunch of hearsay, speculation, theories, opinions... but they did, indeed, put forward their case, such as it is. They could have waited for the courts to force appearances, but they chose not to, and, essentially came to that point where "the prosecution rests". Now it moves to a vote in the full House, after which it is essentially given to the jury (the Senate) for deliberation and punishment phase.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDoncha love it when foreigners tell us how our system works?
And, since the Constitution doesn't spell out a whole lot, we go by precedent, or --- each chamber makes up their own rules. In the case of the House, they changed the rules the day they got the alleged whistle blower complaint. It will be interesting to see how the Senate handles this.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDoncha love it when foreigners tell us how our system works?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post[McConnell] is likely to skip straight to exoneration because he does not want the public to hear the case.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostTrump has not been impeached yet. If he is, the trial takes place in the Senate. McConnell decides how that trial process works. He is likely to skip straight to exoneration because he does not want the public to hear the case. There has been no prosecution at this point, only obstructed fact finding.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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