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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWe have laws in place for a reason. Democrats need to follow the rules laid out, if they can follow the rules and get proper court approval, I have no problem listening.
No, and I think those who denied them that information did so because they believed themselves to be morally superior over the Nazis. *next*
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Originally posted by Sam View Post
Nobody disputes that both committees have subpoena powers. What is at question is whether Schiff, as he has shown he is prone to do, screwed it up. Nadler, OTOH has at the very least, a veneer of competence and the validity of the subpoenas from his committee has not been drawn into question.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
So? The incredibly partisan Democrats, lacking an actual crime, consulted with focus groups and came up with a vague accusation.Which goes back to the Constitution giving them absolute authority to run it as they see fit.
The senate leader and others have specifically and publicly stated they will refuse to do so.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYes it does and you know it. It is very dishonest for you to say otherwise and hide behind a claim that they both have subpoena powers.
Nobody disputes that both committees have subpoena powers. What is at question is whether Schiff, as he has shown he is prone to do, screwed it up. Nadler, OTOH has at the very least, a veneer of competence and the validity of the subpoenas from his committee has not been drawn into question.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostSo do I have it right that you *aren't* curious?No, and I think those who denied them that information did so because they believed themselves to be morally superior over the Nazis. *next*"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWe, the people, demand it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe second impeachment article,...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWould I listen? Sure, but as I said, its important that the rule of law is upheld first and foremost. If the Democrats are serious, they need to take it to the courts and let the courts decide.
But did Nazis have a right to that information? What youre setting up here is opposite of why we have constitutional protections to begin with.
Why should you object to police searching your house? Do you have anything to hide?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYes it does and you know it. It is very dishonest for you to say otherwise and hide behind a claim that they both have subpoena powers.
Nobody disputes that both committees have subpoena powers. What is at question is whether Schiff, as he has shown he is prone to do, screwed it up. Nadler, OTOH has at the very least, a veneer of competence and the validity of the subpoenas from his committee has not been drawn into question.
Explain why, using Judge Jackson's ruling or any other legal precedent, subpoenas coming out of HPSCI lack legal authority.
Don't go calling people dishonest if you're just going to follow it up with griping and handwaving.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIs that a trick question?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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If I can be frank I think you are extremely trusting of the current government. I doubt very many conservatives on this forum would be similarly dispassionate about significantly lesser allegations about Obama's administration. I bet if I search for "Clinton emails" I would find a rabid mob ready to tear her limb from limb. And I am not unsympathetic to those who felt that way for legitimate reasons (I was one of them) for reasons I will lay out below.
I do not feel they had that right. There's a reason we recognize human rights which transcend borders, governments, and constitutions.
This is a category error. I am private citizen who doesn't report to The People. I don't have any special public trust or public authority. I can't act in a significant way against The People due to blackmail or conflicts of interest. I've felt this way my whole life (see my above comment re: Clinton). I felt she violated the public trust by acting in a way to hide communications from FOIA and did so in a reckless manner. Not trying to shift the discussion but I assure you I try to be consistent in this expectation.
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