Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[Cow Poke]

The problem I see, is that they are arguing that the missing "evidence" is crucial to their case, yet they voted to impeach without this evidence. They are admitting that they didn't have enough evidence to impeach. You can't convict someone on missing evidence or wishful thinking. I think the Senate or SCOTUS can just invalidate the articles of impeachment if that is the case.

Like Moscow Mitch just said - It is not the job of the Senate to provide a do-over of impeachment from the House (or words to that effect)

[Sparko]

TDS

But did you notice Queen Nancy flash a "don't do that" look at her subjects when she announced Article 1 passed?

With a sly smile on her face as she did it.

[Cow Poke]

Having failed miserably to sell impeachment, Schumer is now making a speech that, in effect, admits they really screwed up and need another go at it.

[Cow Poke]

With a sly smile on her face as she did it.

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[Sparko]

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She was trying so hard not to laugh at the cheering.

[Cow Poke]

And Chuckie Schumer is making a crybaby speech about "the President's Men" coming and defending him under oath, blah blah blah.... we want a fair trial.......

HEY CHUCKIE!!!! You BLEW it!

He has no idea whatsoever that his side lost, they put on a SHAM impeachment, they "won", but in "winning", they lost so much. I really believe that the Democrats were SO out of touch that they actually believed they were gonna sucker the American people into rallying to their aid.

[firstfloor]

Which last word? Misdemeanors?

In lower courts, they are crimes less serious than felonies, punishable by local courts, but crimes nonetheless. In government, they are considered more serious with regards to POTUS, because they would have been committed at a federal level by a federal employee.

n. a lesser crime punishable by a fine and/or county jail time for up to one year. Misdemeanors are distinguished from felonies which can be punished by a state prison term. They are tried in the lowest local court such as municipal, police or justice courts. Typical misdemeanors include: petty theft, disturbing the peace, simple assault and battery, drunk driving without injury to others, drunkenness in public, various traffic violations, public nuisances, and some crimes which can be charged either as a felony or misdemeanor depending on the circumstances and the discretion of the District Attorney. "High crimes and misdemeanors" referred to in the U. S. Constitution are felonies."

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Not so fast. If the definition of the word was not clear at the time it was written, and no court has made a settled definition with respect to impeachment, then it could mean whatever Nancy wants it to mean.

[JimL]

Trump has not committed, nor been charged with, perjury. Not sure where you're going with this.



A - thats a FAR different animal than obstruction of justice
2 - it wasn't obstruction of congress - it was obstruction of one very partisan faction of One committee of ONE half of Congress, which is ONE THIRD of the branches of government.



The constitution leaves that fairly open, but you'd know it was a "high crime" if it was universally accepted as a crime - like burglary or perjury. Not just something a focus group makes up.

Or bribing, or extorting a foreign government, or asking a foreign government to investigate a U.S citizen, or withholding congressionally appropriated aid from a fledgling democracy endangering our own national security simply in order to help himself politically. And that is only this specific case. Trump is also guilty of "obstruction of justice" in both this and the Mueller investigation no matter what they call it. Half of his corrupt campaign staff is already in prison, on their way to prison, under investigation, or resigned in disgrace. You Trumpsters are complicit, that's all there is to it.

[Sparko]

And Chuckie Schumer is making a crybaby speech about "the President's Men" coming and defending him under oath, blah blah blah.... we want a fair trial.......

HEY CHUCKIE!!!! You BLEW it!

He has no idea whatsoever that his side lost, they put on a SHAM impeachment, they "won", but in "winning", they lost so much. I really believe that the Democrats were SO out of touch that they actually believed they were gonna sucker the American people into rallying to their aid.

He would have a much stronger argument if the House had allowed Republicans to call witnesses, or even to cross examine the Dem's witnesses without constantly being cut off.

[Cow Poke]

Or bribing, or extorting a foreign government, or asking a foreign government to investigate a U.S citizen, or withholding congressionally appropriated aid from a fledgling democracy endangering our own national security simply in order to help himself politically.

Which Article of Impeachment was that, Jim?

And that is only this specific case. Trump is also guilty of "obstruction of justice"

Where was THAT charge in the Articles of Impeachment?

in both this and the Mueller investigation no matter what they call it. Half of his corrupt campaign staff is already in prison, on their way to prison, under investigation, or resigned in disgrace.

So, back to the Russian Collusion Delusion again, eh?

You Trumpsters are complicit, that's all there is to it.

Jim, I realize you're terribly disappointed, but it's no reason to go all childish and dishonest again. Take your medicine --- your side "won" -- celebrate your victory! (But don't let Nancy catch you cheering!)

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[Cow Poke]

He would have a much stronger argument if the House had allowed Republicans to call witnesses, or even to cross examine the Dem's witnesses without constantly being cut off.

His "tone" during this little speech was utter defeat.

[Cow Poke]

Not so fast.

Not fast at all, friend.

If the definition of the word was not clear at the time it was written, and no court has made a settled definition with respect to impeachment, then it could mean whatever Nancy wants it to mean.

Absolutely. And her team won! All praise be to Queen Nancy!!!

[JimL]

The remedy for that is SCOTUS, but the partisan hacks running the impeachment sham couldn't wait for that -- they had to rush headlong off the cliff into disaster.

That's right, they couldn't wait, the reason for which they made clear. The crime is ongoing, and is meant to effect the 2020 election. But of course reason it seems is not a function applicable to republicans, so I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

[JimL]

He would have a much stronger argument if the House had allowed Republicans to call witnesses, or even to cross examine the Dem's witnesses without constantly being cut off.

Bring it on then! But of course that's easy for you to say, because you know that's not what Trump and his Senate allies are going to do.

[Cow Poke]

That's right, they couldn't wait, the reason for which they made clear.

They took a gamble, Jim, and they bet on the wrong horse.

The crime is ongoing, and is meant to effect the 2020 election.

Yes, that's the lie they tried to foist on the American people, but only their lackies bought it.

But of course reason it seems is not a function applicable to republicans, so I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

You're going to need a therapist to get past this, aren't you?