Elizabeth Warren's Pregnant Pause

[lilpixieofterror]

I wouldn't say "heavily." You're right in that history is an interpretive discipline, but it doesn't follow that history is like creative writing. Historical interpretations are constrained by actual arguments and arguments are constrained by documentary evidence. So there are clearly better historical interpretations and worse interpretations. There is no omniscient historical point of view, just as there can't be in any of the humanities, but we can be pretty confident that Washington was a 'better' President than Buchanan, Hitler was a bad guy, etc. It's amusing how conservatives can become relativists when it suits their purposes.

[lilpixieofterror]

You're missing my point, again.

You think that you are not partisan, and that your views are all based in objective facts, etc etc. No bias.

You're wrong. No-one is completely above bias. I'm not, you're not.


I've seen you accept the media presentation of something Trump said, and roll with the narrative they set. Yet when I look at the facts, the media presentation of the issue is clearly skewed unfavourably against Trump. That convinces me that you're biased towards certain positions, and biased against others. Doesn't make those positions right or wrong, but does make you less reliable as a judge of truth in those matters.

When you refuse to accept that you are NOT an objective observer, you weaken your own credibility, and you insulate yourself against having your preconceptions challenged by new data. Which means that your beliefs are less likely to reflect external reality. I guess if you're happy with that, .

[oxmixmudd]

I wouldn't 'Blame" them either. It is one thing to acknowledge such emotions are natural. Quite another to say they are ok, acceptable, to be nourished and fed. To give in to hate is to become evil. To willingly participate in hatred is sin. To not work towards reconciliation and forgiveness is to spit upon the Cross of Christ, for he died for all, that all might be forgiven and set free from the bondage of hatred and sin.

You seem to be working very hard to find some justification for hatred. There is none.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

I wouldn't 'Blame" them either. It is one thing to acknowledge such emotions are natural. Quite another to say they are ok, acceptable, to be nourished and fed. To give in to hate is to become evil. To willingly participate in hatred is sin. To not work towards reconciliation and forgiveness is to spit upon the Cross of Christ, for he died for all, that all might be forgiven and set free from the bondage of hatred and sin.

You seem to be working very hard to find some justification for hatred. There is none.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

That is not your original argument or approach to the topic, but so be it.

[lilpixieofterror]

That is not your original argument or approach to the topic, but so be it.

[oxmixmudd]

Pix, you were arguing for having hated, tryingvto justify it. You can't just decide you weren't. You had ample opportunities in my multiple posts to acknowledge harboring and acting on hatred is a bad thing and to say you only were talking about an immediate emotion that one would reject or seek help in finding a path to forgiveness.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

I would suggest even longer than that. I don't think anybody who has a living memory of a president will be able to accurately judge him. You need somebody with no emotional connection.

[lilpixieofterror]

Pix, you were arguing for having hated, tryingvto justify it. You can't just decide you weren't. You had ample opportunities in my multiple posts to acknowledge harboring and acting on hatred is a bad thing and to say you only were talking about an immediate emotion that one would reject or seek help in finding a path to forgiveness.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

You had ample opportunities in my multiple posts to acknowledge harboring and acting on hatred is a bad thing...

Pretty sure she made precisely that point when she said, "An emotional reaction exist, it is what one decides to do with such a thing that determines if it is good or evil."

[lilpixieofterror]

I would suggest even longer than that. I don't think anybody who has a living memory of a president will be able to accurately judge him. You need somebody with no emotional connection.

[Sam]

We all fondly remember the forbearance shown here and by Conservatives everywhere when they steadfastly refused to pass judgement on the Obama presidency.

--Sam

I would suggest even longer than that. I don't think anybody who has a living memory of a president will be able to accurately judge him. You need somebody with no emotional connection.

[Cow Poke]

I have to admit, I thought Sam presented himself as less biased. I admit I was wrong.

[lilpixieofterror]

We all fondly remember the forbearance shown here and by Conservatives everywhere when they steadfastly refused to pass judgement on the Obama presidency.

--Sam

[Sam]

I have to admit, I thought Sam presented himself as less biased. I admit I was wrong.

As I wrote to MaxVel, this is work that has to be shown, not merely asserted. If someone is approaching an argument from the standpoint that bias exists and can infect one's reasoning, they do themselves a rather ridiculous disservice by turning around and imagining that of course they are the rational and objective arbiter of fact without first doing the work.

--Sam