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A Reason Why a Democrat Presidency in 2020 is an Extremely Bad Idea
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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere's actually a question about whether or not those runs were legit...
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut I saw them taking Imodium and making frequent trips to the bathroom!
Hey!!!"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy can't the democrats every just play by the existing rules? Rather than winning within the bounds of the law, they decide to change the rules. They want to eliminate the electoral college because they lost the election, now they want to restructure the supreme court because Trump got some conservatives in.
It's sad.
ETA: BTW, this post in no way implies my agreement with the positions taken by the left in the OP. Personally, I think packing the court is a bad idea. Frankly, I think the entire politicization of the courts has been incredibly bad for us as a nation. But I do think complaining about "playing by the rules" is more than a little disingenuous, when BOTH parties do it. And I personally think the electoral college needs to go, and it has noting to do with "I lost" since I'm not a democrat and didn't even vote for Gore in 2000. I think it needs to go because it was a bad idea and does not reflect the modern forces at work within the country.Last edited by carpedm9587; 08-15-2019, 01:06 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou mean like giving a presidents supreme court nomination a hearing, instead of holding the position hostage to the "will of the people," only to then observe, only a few years later, that if the same situation arises in 2020, they will seat a justice as soon as possible, and to heck with "the will of the people?" You mean like that?
ETA: BTW, this post in no way implies my agreement with the positions taken by the left in the OP. Personally, I think packing the court is a bad idea. Frankly, I think the entire politicization of the courts has been incredibly bad for us as a nation. But I do think complaining about "playing by the rules" is more than a little disingenuous, when BOTH parties do it.
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I am not saying it is currently, but once a court has been politicized, it is no longer legitimate, and it is the duty of higher authorities to disband that court. The SCOTUS will know this and tread very carefully, particularly if they become politically lop-sided, one way or the other.
Stuffing the courts with your political allies is always a recipe for disaster.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI am not saying it is currently, but once a court has been politicized, it is no longer legitimate, and it is the duty of higher authorities to disband that court. The SCOTUS will know this and tread very carefully, particularly if they become politically lop-sided, one way or the other.
Stuffing the courts with your political allies is always a recipe for disaster.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI have no clue what you just said.
We can have a great deal of debate as to whether that is or is not "playing by the rules," but there is little question that it is talking out of both sides of one's mouth. And both parties do it - so the "Democrats bad" rant is more than a little disingenuous.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI am not saying it is currently, but once a court has been politicized, it is no longer legitimate, and it is the duty of higher authorities to disband that court. The SCOTUS will know this and tread very carefully, particularly if they become politically lop-sided, one way or the other.
Stuffing the courts with your political allies is always a recipe for disaster.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIn 2016, Scalia died. Mitch McConnell refused to even hold hearings on Obama's nominee, insisting that it was an election year and "the will of the people" would be known in November, after which hearings could be initiated on any nominee presented by the new president. Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee, was never even given a hearing. When asked, a couple of months ago, if he would hold to the same standard if a seat were to open up in 2020, McConnell made it clear that they would immediately move to seat any nominee Trump presents. So much for "the will of the people."
We can have a great deal of debate as to whether that is or is not "playing by the rules," but there is little question that it is talking out of both sides of one's mouth. And both parties do it - so the "Democrats bad" rant is more than a little disingenuous."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs Robert's said, there should be no "Obama judges" and "Bush judges" and "Trump judges." There should simply be judges devoted to upholding the rule of law. ANY judge not doing that should be removed from the bench. If the courts become political...then our experiment in democracy is in serious danger of failing."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIn 2016, Scalia died. Mitch McConnell refused to even hold hearings on Obama's nominee, insisting that it was an election year and "the will of the people" would be known in November, after which hearings could be initiated on any nominee presented by the new president. Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee, was never even given a hearing. When asked, a couple of months ago, if he would hold to the same standard if a seat were to open up in 2020, McConnell made it clear that they would immediately move to seat any nominee Trump presents. So much for "the will of the people."
We can have a great deal of debate as to whether that is or is not "playing by the rules," but there is little question that it is talking out of both sides of one's mouth. And both parties do it - so the "Democrats bad" rant is more than a little disingenuous.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIn 2016, Scalia died. Mitch McConnell refused to even hold hearings on Obama's nominee, insisting that it was an election year and "the will of the people" would be known in November, after which hearings could be initiated on any nominee presented by the new president. Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee, was never even given a hearing. When asked, a couple of months ago, if he would hold to the same standard if a seat were to open up in 2020, McConnell made it clear that they would immediately move to seat any nominee Trump presents. So much for "the will of the people."
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI am not sure McConnell ever used the phrase "will of the people" (he could have, but I do not recall it) but there is a distinction between the two situations. What was stressed in the case of Scalia/Garland was that it was a lame duck presidential year. That was not the case with Kennedy/Kavanaugh. I suppose someone can claim it's a distinction without difference, but they stressed the lame duck aspect enough that there was definitely a real distinction there.
If we start making exceptions for this or that policy we undermine the presidency itself.
So yeah, I AM glad McConnell did it. I do acknowledge it was completely lawful - and unfair. But now we need to plug that hole because it's not really okay even if it does serve our ends.
Still, another Obama appointee would likely mean more dead babies, so I can't say I don't approve. When the Court stops letting people kill each other, then I'll be more reticent."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI am not sure McConnell ever used the phrase "will of the people" (he could have, but I do not recall it) but there is a distinction between the two situations. What was stressed in the case of Scalia/Garland was that it was a lame duck presidential year. That was not the case with Kennedy/Kavanaugh. I suppose someone can claim it's a distinction without difference, but they stressed the lame duck aspect enough that there was definitely a real distinction there.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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