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Every Democrat in the Senate Against Free Speech
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI still find it dubious to consider a company a legal person.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIs your house also a person? Are you a house?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI still find it dubious to consider a company a legal person.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostWhy? It's a common thing in many countries.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI am not. And I am no longer a company. But I was. A company, that is. Not a house.
We don't have absolute free speech. We've talked about this on the forum before. Sometimes the state has a vested interested in legislating what can and can't be said by individuals, or by companies. For instance, it was recently tried by a libertarian group to argue that the state legislating what counts as practicing medicine is an attack on freedom of speech. It failed in the first court they tried it though they're taking it all the way to the supreme court.
Let's say that they have their way: A company is a human and can say almost pretty much whatever it wants. After that nobody needs a license to practice medicine, anyone can hang up a diploma from any school and claim expertise in any field without any restriction. It would be a disaster on the American economy.
Clearly, a company is subject to more restrictions on what it can say than an individual human is.
That being said I don't know where I stand on companies being allowed unlimited and anonymous lobbying power. That seems like a very dangerous shift of power away from the people towards individuals.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostEh, still not sure the company counts as being identical with me. Seems rather that a company is a business you start, and so can be subject to a lot of regulation. It describes something you are doing, an activity you're undertaking in the marketplace.
We don't have absolute free speech. We've talked about this on the forum before. Sometimes the state has a vested interested in legislating what can and can't be said by individuals, or by companies. For instance, it was recently tried by a libertarian group to argue that the state legislating what counts as practicing medicine is an attack on freedom of speech. It failed in the first court they tried it though they're taking it all the way to the supreme court.
Let's say that they have their way: A company is a human and can say almost pretty much whatever it wants. After that nobody needs a license to practice medicine, anyone can hang up a diploma from any school and claim expertise in any field without any restriction. It would be a disaster on the American economy.
Clearly, a company is subject to more restrictions on what it can say than an individual human is.
That being said I don't know where I stand on companies being allowed unlimited and anonymous lobbying power. That seems like a very dangerous shift of power away from the people towards individuals.
It's referring to the freedom of a company (made up of one or more persons) to be able to express their opinion without undue restriction.
The 'company' would still be prohibited from falsely yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater, but would retain the same rights to free speech as any other person.
And maybe there's a distinction between "lobbying power" and "free speech" in the election process. I'm not thrilled at all about the terrible abuses in lobbying Congress, for example.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think, perhaps, you're focusing to much on "the company is a person" aspect. We're talking about free speech regarding the ballot box - not deregulation of the medical field.
It's referring to the freedom of a company (made up of one or more persons) to be able to express their opinion without undue restriction.
The 'company' would still be prohibited from falsely yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater, but would retain the same rights to free speech as any other person.
And maybe there's a distinction between "lobbying power" and "free speech" in the election process. I'm not thrilled at all about the terrible abuses in lobbying Congress, for example.
As for Google being able to declare which president they support I don't mind that.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI'm also not sure how you'd regulate it either. Big business and politicians find all sorts of ways to hand out vacations, restaurant visits, favors and so forth without it being easy to trace.
As for Google being able to declare which president they support I don't mind that.
I'm not against big donations, but I think ALL money should be identified as to source. That's tough to do, too, as people who have exceeded their maximum contribution have notoriously handed out money to others to donate to their preferred candidate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI still find it dubious to consider a company a legal person."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostEh, still not sure the company counts as being identical with me. Seems rather that a company is a business you start, and so can be subject to a lot of regulation. It describes something you are doing, an activity you're undertaking in the marketplace.
We don't have absolute free speech. We've talked about this on the forum before. Sometimes the state has a vested interested in legislating what can and can't be said by individuals, or by companies. For instance, it was recently tried by a libertarian group to argue that the state legislating what counts as practicing medicine is an attack on freedom of speech. It failed in the first court they tried it though they're taking it all the way to the supreme court.
Let's say that they have their way: A company is a human and can say almost pretty much whatever it wants. After that nobody needs a license to practice medicine, anyone can hang up a diploma from any school and claim expertise in any field without any restriction. It would be a disaster on the American economy.
Clearly, a company is subject to more restrictions on what it can say than an individual human is.
That being said I don't know where I stand on companies being allowed unlimited and anonymous lobbying power. That seems like a very dangerous shift of power away from the people towards individuals."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe "walkin around money" in many minority districts was legend --- politicians would pay for a new roof for a church, or build a playground, or whatever if the church (or other entity) would allow them the platform.
If they PLAYED FAIR!
I'm not against big donations, but I think ALL money should be identified as to source. That's tough to do, too, as people who have exceeded their maximum contribution have notoriously handed out money to others to donate to their preferred candidate."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
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