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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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It is interesting, when a shooter is a racist or white nationalist, the media immediately blames Trump. Like this shooter. Yet, when the shooter is a liberal socialist like the Dayton shooter, you don't hear a peep out of the MSM.
I think it is wrong to assign blame to anyone or any party when these shootings happen. These guys are sick, no matter what side their political views lay on. You can't blame Republicans, Democrats, or Socialists for these sick, disturbed people. There are many factors that go into motivating someone who is mentally disturbed to act like this.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI don't particularly disagree - although Trump isn't to blame when you get what you paid for - and the next day realize it wasn't really what you wanted.
And yeah, it's more divided than it's been in seventy plus years - and I've heard the argument that it was the last seventy years that were weird, not the move back to divisiveness. But I think that's actually on Obama's door, not Trump's. Obama lit the fuse when he removed the Democrat's vanguard of nearly thirty years with no replacement in sight. It didn't initially cause a problem - Clinton was the successor designate and all would be right with the world - until she couldn't get elected.
Now all the varied - and often mutually exclusive - groups that had been in the back of the Democrat bus awaiting their turn start panicking and grabbing for that brass ring before it gets away. The party becomes a free-for-all of hopeless causes that want their piece of pie NOW. Which means Trump must go because conservatives are evil and won't give every nut job ideology a free ride. That, more than anything about Trump himself, pushed the party WAY far left - and has made it horribly unstable.
Pelosi does NOT have control of the House (O'Neill must be on spin dry in his grave by now) - and no one really has a leash on the party, either. The entire Democrat field is ridiculously large and promising a pot in every chicken at this point - they've gone totally nuts. Half the crap they are proposing won't fly with even the left leaning moderates - you can forget the independents - and Trump will be gleefully flinging it back in their faces about a year from now. I actually think it's gone too far and the chances of the eventual nominee righting him/herself in the next twelve months are ridiculously low.
It's too soon to call - but at this point, it looks like it's Trump's election to lose. The Democrats have nothing significant in their field and will have destroyed what they do have by January. Seriously - they are having debates six MONTHS before the primaries! The only candidate in their field that would actually be difficult for Trump to run against is Marianne Williamson, who has zero chance of being the nominee and probably couldn't beat Trump even if he didn't campaign (but she would be a nightmare for him to run against - it's possibly the only apparent scenario where Trump could muck up and lose).
The funny part? Trump is the best thing going for the Democratic Party right now - the only thing uniting them is their irrational hatred of Trump!
I truly think the biggest question is whether or not the Democratic party will implode before or after the 2020 general election. I wouldn't take bets either way - there are so many strains on that party right now that it's impossible to tell which one will give first.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt is interesting, when a shooter is a racist or white nationalist, the media immediately blames Trump. Like this shooter. Yet, when the shooter is a liberal socialist like the Dayton shooter, you don't hear a peep out of the MSM.
I think it is wrong to assign blame to anyone or any party when these shootings happen. These guys are sick, no matter what side their political views lay on. You can't blame Republicans, Democrats, or Socialists for these sick, disturbed people. There are many factors that go into motivating someone who is mentally disturbed to act like this.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe shooters are not all mentally ill such as the Dayton shooter seems to have been.
There are the mentally ill out there, people who hear voices and such, but they are not to be confused with the white supremacists, the KKK, white nationalists etc etc. You don't have to be mentally ill in order to have white supremacist views or to act on them. The U.S has no more mental illness than other countries do, we just have a lot more guns and a lot more divisivness and hatred.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostHe was a liberal, so that qualifies.
It seems to me that the more heterogenous a country is, the worse the division becomes. That would explain the lower violent crime rates of relatively homogenous countries like the Scandinavian countries. The only exception I see to that is places like the Congo.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd by homogenous I take you to mean, white. You don't have a problem for instance with the white Irish, English, Hungarians, Poles, Italians etc etc, but people of color should not apply. Correct?I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou "guess" wrong. It is the Trump language of "invasion" by Hispanics, which is the distinguishing feature of the El Paso shooter's Manifesto.
This is the reason he drove 600 miles from Dallas...to shoot up Hispanics.
Blatant leftist lies. But no surprise considering the source. Victim mentality on steroids.
This is the man who first came into public view for discriminating against African Americans in housing
No. He told 4 loud mouthed socialist anti-Semites to go back to where they came from. That they happen to be minorities was a side effect. He similarly has slammed Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer for their districts.
The Manifesto and behavior of the shooter echo these sentiments.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd by homogenous I take you to mean, white.
You don't have a problem for instance with the white Irish, English, Hungarians, Poles, Italians etc etc, but people of color should not apply. Correct?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, BtC does come off as racist there.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe shooters are not all mentally ill such as the Dayton shooter seems to have been. There are the mentally ill out there, people who hear voices and such, but they are not to be confused with the white supremacists, the KKK, white nationalists etc etc. You don't have to be mentally ill in order to have white supremacist views or to act on them. The U.S has no more mental illness than other countries do, we just have a lot more guns and a lot more divisivness and hatred.
And people like you and the MSM who use situations like this as a club to attack Trump and conservatives is a completely despicable political move. Even here you are dismissing the Dayton shooter as "mentally ill" but not the El Paso shooter. Why? Because the Dayton shooter was liberal and the El Paso shooter wasn't. Just grow up JimL.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostHow can one put spin on the actual words Trump uses...
2) By viewing them through the lens of hateThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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