Straight Pride Parade Permit Submitted To City Of Modesto

[One Bad Pig]

Yeah, I've made the point numerous times that my sexual orientation is not what defines me, which is why I think it's dumb to be "proud of" a sexual orientation.

Further, in the Christian worldview, pride is a vice, not a virtue.

[Cow Poke]

Further, in the Christian worldview, pride is a vice, not a virtue.

Eggzackly, which is why I think it's, as I've stated before, an "aggravating factor" relative to the sin of homosexuality.

[Adrift]

Further, in the Christian worldview, pride is a vice, not a virtue.

Not a fan myself, but what do you guys think of the song God Bless the U.S.A. aka, Proud To Be An American?

[KingsGambit]

Not a fan myself, but what do you guys think of the song God Bless the U.S.A. aka, Proud To Be An American?

Well, I think I've made my thoughts on Christianity and nationalism/patriotism fairly clear on here in the past (and they've gone over like a lead balloon), so you can probably guess where I sit.

[One Bad Pig]

Not a fan myself, but what do you guys think of the song God Bless the U.S.A. aka, Proud To Be An American?

Not my style of music. I'm glad to be an American, but I'm increasingly disinclined to say I'm proud to be an American.

[Cow Poke]

Not a fan myself, but what do you guys think of the song God Bless the U.S.A. aka, Proud To Be An American?

As an American, they're kinda patriotic, as a Christian - my first allegiance is to Christ. And what OBP said.

[KingsGambit]

My main association with the song is when I was a kid and my mom's favorite local talk show host played it repeatedly on the 4th of July just to annoy as many listeners as possible.

[Jim B.]

Well I think groups and sites that push "black pride" like the Black Lives Matter, and the Black Panthers are racist, so I think sites and groups like this that push "White Pride" are just as racist. Which that site clearly appears to be.

Why do you see "Black Lives Matter" as being racist?

[Leonhard]

Aren't there different ways you can take the word "pride"?

When a father says "I'm proud of my boy" I don't think he's committing the sin of Pride. I also don't think its a sin to have pride in being a human for instance. Because "pride" as a word here refers to different things. When its the sin of pride, isn't is more specifically referring vainglory? In holding yourself more than others, because of what you have achieved, or qualities you perceive yourself having that others don't, or in outright resisting the True and Good because you consider own values higher?

[One Bad Pig]

Why do you see "Black Lives Matter" as being racist?

Their strident refusal to acknowledge that "all lives matter" is sort of a dead giveaway.

Just sayin'.

[KingsGambit]

Aren't there different ways you can take the word "pride"?

When a father says "I'm proud of my boy" I don't think he's committing the sin of Pride. I also don't think its a sin to have pride in being a human for instance. Because "pride" as a word here refers to different things. When its the sin of pride, isn't is more specifically referring vainglory? In holding yourself more than others, because of what you have achieved, or qualities you perceive yourself having that others don't, or in outright resisting the True and Good because you consider own values higher?

I think there's a difference between that, and reflecting on a job well done, and other more sinful senses of the word, yes. What would be the point of taking pride in being a human, though?

[One Bad Pig]

Aren't there different ways you can take the word "pride"?

When a father says "I'm proud of my boy" I don't think he's committing the sin of Pride. I also don't think its a sin to have pride in being a human for instance. Because "pride" as a word here refers to different things. When its the sin of pride, isn't is more specifically referring vainglory? In holding yourself more than others, because of what you have achieved, or qualities you perceive yourself having that others don't, or in outright resisting the True and Good because you consider own values higher?

Sorta. I mean, by saying "I'm proud of my boy" isn't the father in a way referring to "qualities you perceive yourself having that others don't"?

[KingsGambit]

Sorta. I mean, by saying "I'm proud of my boy" isn't the father in a way referring to "qualities you perceive yourself having that others don't"?

I don't think this particular example is a good fit. A parent who is happy that his child is well behaved (which Proverbs does portray as a legitimate ambition) might reason in a sense that his good behavior is something that other children don't have, but on the other hand, he may have had something to do with that. I think it would be okay if one kept in mind that God had a hand in it and it wasn't his doing alone.

[Leonhard]

Sorta. I mean, by saying "I'm proud of my boy" isn't the father in a way referring to "qualities you perceive yourself having that others don't"?

That's never what I've taken that to mean. Just that the Father delights in his son, and what his son is achieving. Or it's the same when a person after having worked hard for their grades, receives them and takes an appropriate amount of pleasure in the accomplishment. Or when a person is asked to supervise a project and is asked whether the person possesses the right skills, the person doesn't say "I don't know anything", that would be false.

I didn't mean it in the sense of "My son is doing excellently, unlikely your poor boy."

[Jim B.]

Their strident refusal to acknowledge that "all lives matter" is sort of a dead giveaway.

Just sayin'.

That's not what it's about. I used to think that too, and I definitely hear where you're coming from. Of course they acknowledge that all lives matter. That's a given. To emphasize that black lives matter is to acknowledge that there is an ongoing and historical disparity in how blacks have been treated by criminal justice and policing relative to whites. Statistics about routine police stops where all variables are held constant bear this out. Also incarceration rates and time served for the very same offenses also bear this out. To say "All Lives Matter" and leave it at that would be to leave unacknowledged this major disparity.