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Originally posted by Adrift View PostGood point, but I imagine walking through the desert with ladders and large rubber mats isn't exactly easy, or inconspicuous.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI can't find anywhere in this thread where someone asserted "because the experts claimed so-and-so, it is therefore guaranteed to be true." Rather they are deferring to legitimate experts, speaking in their area of expertise (which is not at all fallacious), and they're asking what expertise you have on this subject to consider yourself more knowledgeable than those who are actually doing the field work? That's not an appeal to authority. That you "won't bow down to experts" (when in reality you do so on plenty of other subjects every single day) is not a compelling counter-argument.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSeer and Rogue's responses were basically, "who are you to disagree with the experts." I was responding to that. That is an appeal to authority. As noted, even experts can be wrong. I disagree with the "experts" for the reasons cited. If someone wants to take up the issues, happy to discuss. Otherwise...
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBut Trump needed that taxpayer money to pay for his campaign rally disguised as a 4th of July celebration.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTrump don't need no tax payer money! Just add another Trillion on the Debt, and call it good!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThough, being that its Trump, you probably haven't noticed, but he has already done that, and unlike Obama, Trump didn't have the economic hole to dig us out of that Obama had to deal with.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYou're wrong carpedm9587. It is not an appeal to authority to question your expertise in the face of claims made by actual experts working in their area. That even experts working in their field may be wrong is irrelevant. No one claimed that because the experts said so-and-so, it is therefore guaranteed to be true.
I've made all of the response I can to "who are you to disagree with the experts?" When someone responds to the specific points I've made, I'll be happy to engage. Other than that...not much else to say.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYour question appears to focus on the informal aspect of the fallacy. From your post: "Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true."
That was my point. If someone wants to put forward the arguments an expert has made and argue their merits, they should do so. If the argument is, "who are you to disagree with the experts?" then my response will be, "a person with a mind and the ability to read and understand." Argue the merits - not the person.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostWalls are pretty easy to defeat. I know of gated communities in South Africa, where the residents protect themselves from the criminal elements of society by hiding behind walls
8ft wall with another 6ft of razor wire and electrified fencing (with the level set to "knock out the TRex").
It gets defeated by ladders and thick rubber mats.....
(just an observation, no real suggestions for you)Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou are entitled to your opinion, Adrift.
I've made all of the response I can to "who are you to disagree with the experts?" When someone responds to the specific points I've made, I'll be happy to engage. Other than that...not much else to say.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostThe observation that "an eleven-foot ladder defeats a ten-foot wall" has been well-worn. No one claims that a wall alone will solve the problem. The claim is that a wall will *impede* the invaders, and be one tool among many to help the beleaguered border personnel.
What evidence is there that is the best long term use of the billions required to create and maintain it?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostWhile not deductively conclusive in a formal sense, in practical terms the opinions of recognized experts should carry greater weight than those of "Joe Blow."
And I am way past repeating myself, so I'll leave the last word on "experts" to y'all. If anyone wants to discuss the actual issues, I'm happy to engage.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis has been going on for awhile now[1] with the latest started by soap opera actress Nancy Lee Grahn when she posted some pictures that got widely circulated.
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but, like many others, "accidentally" cropped the pictures removing the original timestamp ... from 2015. Hmm, who was president back then? [ATTACH=CONFIG]38010[/ATTACH]
Could it have been the Obamessiah?
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I wouldn't assume you would come to the conclusion that Jesus, who identified with the least of these, would support putting children in cages....Last edited by Charles; 07-11-2019, 05:57 AM.
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