Kids In Cages...

[Sparko]

Stop disrupting the narrative with those bothersome fact thingies

Don't worry! Carp will remind us that an example is not evidence!

(unless it is his example that is))

See rogue? I called it on the nose.

[seer]

Seer - there is a distinction between "court-ordered deportations" and "all appeals exhausted." I have not seen anything that affirms that all of the people who have been so ordered have had an opportunity to have their case reviewed by an appeals court. We live in an age with great polarization; having a second set of eyes review a case seems appropriate to me.

Oh please, we are speaking of the law as written, before final order of removal there is an appeal process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_proceedings

That being said, once the process has run its course, and deportation is still the outcome, then they should be deported. But only those on that list should be deported - not any illegal immigrant ICE stumbles across. Most of the objections I have seen are to the latter. I'm sure there are some objecting to the former. I would not be one of them and I would not agree with them. And attributing that to "Dems" is painting with far too broad a brush.

In this last situation ICE only went after those with removal orders. And the lawless Dems did what they could to interfere. There is no way to work with such people, laws mean nothing to them.


ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S.


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...231687048.html

[carpedm9587]

shrug? So you really don't care about the suffering?

If we are going to help anyone, we need to do it at home first.

Again - you are painting a false dichotomy. We can do both. We have the resources. We lack the will. There is no reason to have to choose between the two. ALL people in need of help should be helped in proportion to their need and within the limits of the resources of the provider of that support (a position which also makes the first statement clearly wrong).

It's neither, but your comment is your normal handwaving dismissal of anything you don't want to deal with.

Same handwaving dismissal

Same handwaving dismissal

Yep I called it. Another carp dismissal. You tend to do that a lot.

Hey what happened to "You can have the last word?"

The rest of this has no content to which I can respond.

[Charles]

Yep I called it. Another carp dismissal. You tend to do that a lot.

I assume you don't think you can prove Carpe's point wrong solely by predicting it. So what is your argument to support your idea that he is wrong (if you think so)?

[carpedm9587]

Oh please, we are speaking of the law as written, before final order of removal there is an appeal process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_proceedings

So there is no problem then. As I said - anyone slated for deportation should have access to an appeals process, and that should have had an opportunity to play out. If it has, then they should be deported. I'm not sure what your issue here is.

In this last situation ICE only went after those with removal orders. And the lawless Dems did what they could to interfere. There is no way to work with such people, laws mean nothing to them.

Wow, Seer. That's amazing. All of the Dems went after ICE for these deportations, and stood in the way? That must have been a sight to see, given that there are over 50 million of them.

I repeat - you are painting with too broad a brush.

ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S.


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...231687048.html

I'm aware of this article and have read it.

[carpedm9587]

I assume you don't think you can prove Carpe's point wrong solely by predicting it. So what is your argument to support your idea that he is wrong (if you think so)?

I'd be curious to know exactly what he thinks I am wrong about, since neither he nor Teal have yet accurately reflected any positions I have actually taken.

[seer]

So there is no problem then. As I said - anyone slated for deportation should have access to an appeals process, and that should have had an opportunity to play out. If it has, then they should be deported. I'm not sure what your issue here is.



Wow, Seer. That's amazing. All of the Dems went after ICE for these deportations, and stood in the way? That must have been a sight to see, given that there are over 50 million of them.

I repeat - you are painting with too broad a brush.

When you have the speaker of the house, and others in leadership doing this, I'm happy to broad brush since these are the lawless Dems we have to try and get reform done with.

[Teallaura]

As you wish, Teal. Since you are unable to show where I said what you claimed I did, and I didn't in fact say any of it, you're not actually discussing with me - but rather with some illusion of me you've made up. I'll leave you to talk to the illusion. Last word to you, unless you address something I actually said.

Translation: I don't know how to scroll up.

[Sparko]

Again - you are painting a false dichotomy. We can do both. We have the resources. We lack the will. There is no reason to have to choose between the two. ALL people in need of help should be helped in proportion to their need and within the limits of the resources of the provider of that support (a position which also makes the first statement clearly wrong).

Except they are doing something about the border. The democrats want to let them in, give them free healthcare and welfare. But instead they should be fighting for the homeless and poor in our own country.

You repeating "we can do both" is nonsense because we are NOT doing both, we are doing ONE: focusing all our sympathy, energy and efforts on illegal immigrants.

The rest of this has no content to which I can respond.

Great. How about this, carp: Since I never say anything you like or "to which you can respond" why don't you save yourself a ton of frustration and effort and not reply to any of my posts going forward? And if I happen to reply to one of yours, just ignore me.

[carpedm9587]

When you have the speaker of the house, and others in leadership doing this, I'm happy to broad brush since these are the lawless Dems we have to try and get reform done with.

Then paint away, Mr. Rembrandt. Personally, I try not to paint entire groups of people with a single color. I'm not always successful, mind you, but at least I acknowledge it when CP points out I have done so.

[carpedm9587]

Except they are doing something about the border. The democrats want to let them in, give them free healthcare and welfare. But instead they should be fighting for the homeless and poor in our own country.

You repeating "we can do both" is nonsense because we are NOT doing both, we are doing ONE: focusing all our sympathy, energy and efforts on illegal immigrants.

As best I can tell, we are doing neither. Pretty close to total stalemate. I repeat, we CAN do both. There is no need to create the false dichotomy..

Great. How about this, carp: Since I never say anything you like or "to which you can respond" why don't you save yourself a ton of frustration and effort and not reply to any of my posts going forward? And if I happen to reply to one of yours, just ignore me.

Never?

And I am experiencing no frustration, Sparko. I simply respond to what I find interesting, and leave the rest. When someone is not accurately reflecting what I have said/posted, I point it out.

[seer]

Then paint away, Mr. Rembrandt. Personally, I try not to paint entire groups of people with a single color. I'm not always successful, mind you, but at least I acknowledge it when CP points out I have done so.

The point is Carp, this is the Dem leadership - telling people how to evade the law. How on earth can we do reform with such people?

[seer]

I repeat, we CAN do both.

We are already 20 trillion in debt -the majority of that is in social programs - and you want more?

[Sparko]

As best I can tell, we are doing neither. Pretty close to total stalemate. I repeat, we CAN do both. There is no need to create the false dichotomy..

What fantasy land are you living in Carp? Have you been listening to the news the last year? Or the democrat debates and news releases? They are campaigning for decriminalizing border crossings, free healthcare for illegals, and giving nearly everyone asylum status which gives them access to monthly funds and housing assistance. At the same time they are letting their cities deteriorate into plague infested slums.

Never?

And I am experiencing no frustration, Sparko. I simply respond to what I find interesting, and leave the rest. When someone is not accurately reflecting what I have said/posted, I point it out.

Basically you just ignore and handwave away anything inconvenient to your internal fantasy narrative of what you think the world is like.

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[carpedm9587]

The point is Carp, this is the Dem leadership - telling people how to evade the law. How on earth can we do reform with such people?

Dem leadership is not "Dems." It's a few people with their own opinion. Not all Dems agree with them. As I said - too broad a brush.