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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostACK!!!! Charles wants to open BOARDERS!!! HIDE THE CUTLERY!!!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOur local food pantry / help center has lots of love. I'm usually there 2 to 3 days a week having breakfast with a roomful of people who are there not just to 'get stuff', but to learn skills and find jobs.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHave you ever considered starting remedial English classes?
We have a program during the summer where we have, in effect, Vacation Bible School on steroids in the public school, where kids are fed breakfast and lunch, and get tutoring in math, science and reading. The public school provides the buses, the meals and the teachers.
I'm just waiting for somebody to scream "SEPERATION!!!!"
But we do this because we HATE little kids, and want them to suffer through the summer!!!!!Last edited by Cow Poke; 07-13-2019, 04:05 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
But we do this because we HATE little kids, and want them to suffer through the summer!!!!!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell that is the way I would look at it if I had to go to school during summer vacation. You are evil!
It's really fun to hear them singing the songs (much wilder than the VBS songs I remember ) and quoting the scriptures. And they actually seem bummed out when it's time to go home!
Oh, and we employ 25 college kids as coaches and mentors for the summer, so they gain experience in, effect, running a summer camp.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat's effectively what open border liberals are asking for.
It's because the situation is more complex and nuanced than you allow for with your simplistic black and white moral thinking.
Looking these posts over there is a clear disonnect between how you speak about the people on our borders and how you act towards those in need in your local communities. The latter - those in need here - seems right in line with what it should be. In many cases not merely good but great. But then you turn around and callously paint these people on the borders as if they are objects, things, not real human beings that are truly suffering
I dont believe the words you using when speaking about the border reflect the goodness that is ciearly in you and demonstrated as you deal with the homeless or poor in your own local environments.
Please take a moment to see these people as you would see them if they were standing in line at your food pantry, or if they were kids at your vbs or comunity outreach
Try to see beyond the politics and into the eyes and hearts of these people on our borders. Allow yourselves to see them as if they were your neighbors, or family members of an immigrant friend, or the homeless fellow on the steet corner.
Their suffering is at least as great. Their need is at least as much.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 07-13-2019, 06:35 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post(Speking to all, not just MM)
Looking these posts over there is a clear disonnect between how you speak about the people on our borders and how you act towards those in need in your local communities. The latter - those in need here - seems right in line with what it should be. In many cases not merely good but great. But then you turn around and callously paint these people on the borders as if they are objects, things, not real human beings that are truly suffering
I dont believe the words you using when speaking about the border reflect the goodness that is ciearly in you and demonstrated as you deal with the homeless or poor in your own local environments.
Please take a moment to see these people as you would see them if they were standing in line at your food pantry, or if they were kids at your vbs or comunity outreach
Try to see beyond the politics and into the eyes and hearts of these people on our borders. Allow yourselves to see them as if they were your neighbors, or family members of an immigrant friend, or the homeless fellow on the steet corner.
Their suffering is at least as great. Their need is at least as much.
Jim
But even if it weren't, allowing the US to be Mexico's escape valve for internal economic and political pressure has darn near destroyed it. There isn't enough available unskilled labor market in the US for Central and South America to use us to drive their economies as Mexico does. We're already an enormous brain drain on both the Americas and the Third World - this is bad for other nations, making conditions for those left behind worse.
Destroying our economy won't help. Taking in everyone isn't a viable option. Foreign aid, however...
We can put pressure externally on nations to improve - but not if we alleviate all the internal pressure. That won't help.
We've tried amnesty and understanding - and let Mexico rot in the process. Sometimes, no is the only answer that will give things a chance of getting better, for everyone, and long term."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIf we throw open the borders, they will starve, along with many of our own and millions of others abroad dependent on American foreign aid. The scariest thing right now is just how dependent the world is on American prosperity.
But even if it weren't, allowing the US to be Mexico's escape valve for internal economic and political pressure has darn near destroyed it. There isn't enough available unskilled labor market in the US for Central and South America to use us to drive their economies as Mexico does. We're already an enormous brain drain on both the Americas and the Third World - this is bad for other nations, making conditions for those left behind worse.
Destroying our economy won't help. Taking in everyone isn't a viable option. Foreign aid, however...
We can put pressure externally on nations to improve - but not if we alleviate all the internal pressure. That won't help.
We've tried amnesty and understanding - and let Mexico rot in the process. Sometimes, no is the only answer that will give things a chance of getting better, for everyone, and long term.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIf we throw open the borders, they will starve, along with many of our own and millions of others abroad dependent on American foreign aid. The scariest thing right now is just how dependent the world is on American prosperity.
But even if it weren't, allowing the US to be Mexico's escape valve for internal economic and political pressure has darn near destroyed it. There isn't enough available unskilled labor market in the US for Central and South America to use us to drive their economies as Mexico does. We're already an enormous brain drain on both the Americas and the Third World - this is bad for other nations, making conditions for those left behind worse.
Destroying our economy won't help. Taking in everyone isn't a viable option. Foreign aid, however...
We can put pressure externally on nations to improve - but not if we alleviate all the internal pressure. That won't help.
We've tried amnesty and understanding - and let Mexico rot in the process. Sometimes, no is the only answer that will give things a chance of getting better, for everyone, and long term.
Some of the very politicians who rail against "the wall" live in gated communities with their own walls. But, then again, many of the liberals who are anti-gun have armed guards protecting them...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI don't think that Jim ever suggested that we throw open the borders, Tea. I believe he was saying that ya'll should try and see immigrants, and treat the immigrants, more like human beings. That should be an integral part of immigration reform policy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI don't think that Jim ever suggested that we throw open the borders, Tea. I believe he was saying that ya'll should try and see immigrants, and treat the immigrants, more like human beings. That should be an integral part of immigration reform policy.
If Reagan had built a wall instead of granting amnesty, Mexico would either be under new management or it would be pushing into First World status in its own right by now. Either way, it and its people would be far better off."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI have to wonder, when somebody preaches that "they are our neighbors" speech - how many of these "neighbors" those people have taken into their own homes.
Some of the very politicians who rail against "the wall" live in gated communities with their own walls. But, then again, many of the liberals who are anti-gun have armed guards protecting them...
They see the barn on fire and want to help the horses by throwing open the door, not realizing that some horses will actually run in. We need to put out the fire first, while we can."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostSo, amnesty and all the liberal policies (yes, yes, I know about Reagan) have hurt the countries - and far more people than we've helped. You and Jim seem to think that we don't see people. In my opinion, you're the ones turning a blind eye to all those ultimately hurt by our leaky borders up until now.
If Reagan had built a wall instead of granting amnesty, Mexico would either be under new management or it would be pushing into First World status in its own right by now. Either way, it and its people would be far better off.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIf we throw open the borders, they will starve, along with many of our own and millions of others abroad dependent on American foreign aid. The scariest thing right now is just how dependent the world is on American prosperity.
But even if it weren't, allowing the US to be Mexico's escape valve for internal economic and political pressure has darn near destroyed it. There isn't enough available unskilled labor market in the US for Central and South America to use us to drive their economies as Mexico does. We're already an enormous brain drain on both the Americas and the Third World - this is bad for other nations, making conditions for those left behind worse.
Destroying our economy won't help. Taking in everyone isn't a viable option. Foreign aid, however...
We can put pressure externally on nations to improve - but not if we alleviate all the internal pressure. That won't help.
We've tried amnesty and understanding - and let Mexico rot in the process. Sometimes, no is the only answer that will give things a chance of getting better, for everyone, and long term.
Sparko's question assumes the immigrating parents are bad people, negligent, selfish. Why assume that? Why dehumanize them that way. Instead I propose ask what could be so bad that a normal parent who loves their children would believe that enduring what that picture shows is the best long term option? Asking that question brings us farther away from judgement and closer to compassion.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 07-13-2019, 11:42 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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