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I know there was a big resistance, at first, from police officers to bodycams -- like "I'm being spied on" -- but after a number of officers were cleared of false allegations by their bodycam footage, that changed pretty quickly.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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According to a critique article in Lawenforcementtoday.com:
The article claims that the total number of Law enforcement posters found to be posting something that was or could be construed as racist was 400....even assuming all were active officers that's 400 out of approx. 900,000 officers....so, nothing to see here..."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Catholicity View PostJust FYI, a friend of mine whose half white and half black was pulled on a highway and the officer let her go. She was doing nothing wrong. My husband tells me that in that same region, a police officer openly admitted to profiling and just pulling random blacks over because they were black
Story time again. I once pulled over someone who works for the same government I do, but a different department. He was driving 19 mph over the posted speed limit (I used to write anyone doing 15 or more over, and if traffic or environmental factors were worse, sometimes as low as 11 over), and I had the radar locked and pulled out of from my hiding spot before he was even 100 yards from me. I couldn't even tell what kind of car it was, let alone the demographics of the driver by that point. Once I got him stopped, I got a bunch of smart questions about when the speed limit changed (answer: more than four years prior, and he drives the same route 1-3 times per week to go to church).
But...he was a black guy driving in a mostly white neighborhood. I asked him to do me a favor and slow down, then gave him a written warning. By the time I got back to the office (about 8 minutes after clearing the stop), he had already called his pastor, who called my supervisor to complain about the stop. Heck, this was almost 7 years ago and the man still won't even say hi to me when I see him at work, and I cut him a break. That is, unfortunately, the attitude of many people of color I've dealt with. It doesn't matter that they were breaking the law, it matters that they're black -- and that's the version they're telling all their friends and family. I have many more examples of this.
That said, you'll notice that even above, I didn't say I'd NEVER seen racism at play in my work. I just said it didn't happen often and that I rarely see it (I think I said it was "difficult to see")."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostAccording to a critique article in Lawenforcementtoday.com:
The article claims that the total number of Law enforcement posters found to be posting something that was or could be construed as racist was 400....even assuming all were active officers that's 400 out of approx. 900,000 officers....so, nothing to see here...
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI know there was a big resistance, at first, from police officers to bodycams -- like "I'm being spied on" -- but after a number of officers were cleared of false allegations by their bodycam footage, that changed pretty quickly.
I guess ultimately it comes down to whether or not cameras help more than they hurt. In a society that's less and less trusting of police, if cameras can put the truth to a lie coming from a perpetrator's mouth, then it's worth the risk.
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There are good cops and bad ones. The problem is that according to many of the public, ALL cops are bad and every time one bad one is in the news, they use it as an excuse to condemn all cops. That is what is known as "bigotry" -- it is no different than some white person saying all black people are lazy, or crooks, or whatever. The good cops outnumber the bad ones by a significant margin, but you only hear about the bad ones because that is what makes news. And half of the time THAT isn't even true. They are scapegoating a good police officer for doing his job the way he is supposed to.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostMy main concern with body cameras was (is) that, believe it or not, the camera can lie. How something is shot, what's shown and what's missing from the camera's perspective, what can be heard and not seen off camera, lens distortion, optical illusions created by foreshortening and perspective, light trickery, and things hidden in shadow, etc. Not to mention what the camera can pick up that the officer may not be able to see...
These can all work against an officer's perspective of an incident, or even the realty of the situation, and now you have this "hard evidence" that may work against the officer's testimony, and of course people would rather believe their eyes rather than someone's say-so (especially if their job or freedom is on the line), but their eyes can be deceived. Unless you have some sort of visual/audio expert testimony available for every single case, body cameras have the potential to make an innocent man guilty (or vice versa even).
I guess ultimately it comes down to whether or not cameras help more than they hurt. In a society that's less and less trusting of police, if cameras can put the truth to a lie coming from a perpetrator's mouth, then it's worth the risk.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI, personally, think the bodycam will help the honest cop who is smart enough to use them to his advantage - like attempting to deescalate the incident by informing the subject "this is all being recorded", and, with that in mind, maintaining his own professionalism.
I actually had to arrest a city councilwoman for public intoxication, and all the way back to the station, she was screaming obscenities, threatening to take my badge, threatening to ... um... "Lorena Bobbit" me.... She continued this tirade when we got back to the booking room, and she even looked directly at the camera on a number of occasions so she could threaten the Chief, who she was sure was in another room at 3 AM, watching her.
At a pre-trial hearing, her attorney present, they were not only seeking to have all charges dropped, but were threatening abuse of power, unlawful detention, and all kinds of stuff.
Our city attorney listened to all of this, then very calmly got up, hit "play" on the giant recorder, and the council woman's 'performance' was on display in all her glory, multiple F words, threats, etc....
HER attorney quickly got up and pressed "stop", and told the city attorney, "we'd like to discuss any plea that may still be on the table".
ETA: On a side note, it turned out to be incredibly helpful having the video, because said councilwoman was absolutely horrified that she had acted that way --- not just that she "got caught" -- but she actually sincerely apologized and decided to go in for help for her drinking.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWay before bodycams, we had the huge VHS based recorder systems in our 'processing' room at the police department, so the booking of persons was recorded.
I actually had to arrest a city councilwoman for public intoxication, and all the way back to the station, she was screaming obscenities, threatening to take my badge, threatening to ... um... "Lorena Bobbit" me.... She continued this tirade when we got back to the booking room, and she even looked directly at the camera on a number of occasions so she could threaten the Chief, who she was sure was in another room at 3 AM, watching her.
At a pre-trial hearing, her attorney present, they were not only seeking to have all charges dropped, but were threatening abuse of power, unlawful detention, and all kinds of stuff.
Our city attorney listened to all of this, then very calmly got up, hit "play" on the giant recorder, and the council woman's 'performance' was on display in all her glory, multiple F words, threats, etc....
HER attorney quickly got up and pressed "stop", and told the city attorney, "we'd like to discuss any plea that may still be on the table".
ETA: On a side note, it turned out to be incredibly helpful having the video, because said councilwoman was absolutely horrified that she had acted that way --- not just that she "got caught" -- but she actually sincerely apologized and decided to go in for help for her drinking.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI have never been so drunk that I didn't know what I was doing or remember it later. And I have been pretty drunk when I was a teenager.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI have never been so drunk that I didn't know what I was doing or remember it later. And I have been pretty drunk when I was a teenager.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIncidents like this are almost a daily occurrence:
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI know there was a big resistance, at first, from police officers to bodycams -- like "I'm being spied on" -- but after a number of officers were cleared of false allegations by their bodycam footage, that changed pretty quickly.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDo you suppose the situation wouldn't have escalated if they had simply done what they were told?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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