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Trump To Use Executive Privilege?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat's correct, and he can't claim executive priviledge in order to obstruct Congressional oversight into his administration.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course he can Jim, that is separation of powers. Congress does not get to run endless witch hunts against the President. And remember Jim you said you would accept the findings of Mueller report as I did. And the Mueller report did not find any prosecutable offense.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course he can Jim, that is separation of powers. Congress does not get to run endless witch hunts against the President. And remember Jim you said you would accept the findings of Mueller report as I did. And the Mueller report did not find any prosecutable offense.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe latest liberal narrative is that Mueller really did find the smoking gun but wasn't allowed to act on it and told Congress with a wink and nod to take up the case for him. Of course that narrative ignores the fact that Mueller plainly said that the President committed no crimes leaving Congress with no grounds to pursue impeachment.Last edited by JimL; 04-27-2019, 10:08 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFirst off, no he can't, and second, the alledged doesn't get to decide if an investigation into himself is a witch hunt and therefore put an end to it. As for the investigation itself, I accept the Mueller report fully, what I don't accept is Trumps hand picked shills bogus spin on it. There are at least 12 obvious cases of Trumps obstruction which you guys are in denial about, there is also the obvious conspiracy of P Manafort who gave a Russian operative both the Trump campaigns polling data and geographical targeting data not to mention so much more in the report. Perhaps if you got your heads out of the GOP propaganda bubble once in a while you'd be able to see the facts. But probably not!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostLike I said Jim Trump will assert executive privilege, and then the courts will decide. And if there are 12 obvious cases of obstruction, then the Dems should start the impeachment process right now.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostWell, he can attempt to do it in order to stall the process, but the courts, to Trumps dismay, will determine if he actually has the authority to get away with it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, they need to have hearings and the public testimony of the witnesses in order to dispell the lies that Trumps appointed hack told to those American people who are to naive to recognise a political hack job when they see one. That means you, seer. What are you afraid of? Let me ask you this concerning conspiracy. If a manager of Trumps campaign gives the campaigns polling data and geographical targeting data to a Russian operative, would you call that conspiracy, or not?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you said there were 12 obvious cases of obstruction so there is no need for your dog and pony show, start the impeachment process. And did the Mueller report say that the Manafort thing was conspiracy?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt's not a dog and pony show, that's just what people who fear the truth coming to light call it. As far as the Manafort conspiracy is concerned, I asked you a hypothetical. It seems you are afraid to give an honest answer?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim I have no idea what the backstory is with the Manafort thing is, but if it was a conspiracy don't you think Mueller would have charged him with conspiracy? And fear what, the report is there for all to read. Do you really think these jokers in congress are able to find more than Mueller? This isn't about finding truth Jim, it is about making Trump look bad until the next election. But like said, if these obstruction cases are so obvious then the Dems need to start impeachment, now. But you and I know they don't have the guts.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, Carp I don't see what Congress is going to get out of these witnesses that Mueller didn't. It is all about keeping the political theater going until the next election, nothing more.
Originally posted by seer View PostWho says? And yes you have the amendment process as part of the blueprint.
AFAIK, this is a pretty basic principle about the workings of our government. I guess I'm a bit surprised that you think otherwise.
Originally posted by seer View PostThat is true the DOJ can investigate wrong doing in Congress, but that is not determined by the President. The bottom line is that Congress can investigate the President, he can not investigate the Congress.
But there is a significant difference between the branches. The executive is headed by one person. Congress is a large group comprising (primarily) two distinct and opposing parties. It is far more likely that a single person, who picks his/her staff/team, is going to go afoul of the law than it is that a group of 400+ people from opposing parties are going to conspire to do so. So it makes a certain amount of sense that the framers would have given Congress more oversight of the executive than the executive was given oversight of Congress.
Originally posted by seer View PostReally, did you see what Lincoln and Jackson did? They often ignored the court.Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-27-2019, 01:30 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNope. An action is either executive privilege, or it isn't. If Trump claims executive privilege when he shouldn't then that's another matter.
"And a president who appropriately invokes his Constitutional power of executive privilege can not be accused of, or charged with, undermining or obstructing an investigation."
And I am saying "a president who inappropiately invokes his Constitutional power of executive privilege can possibly be accused of, or charged with, undermining or obstructing an investigation"
Since you left out "appropriately," I was noting that your statement was too broad and all-inclusive. Executive privilege is indeed a constitutionally provided-for privilege, AFAIK. It can be (and sometimes is) misused.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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