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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI provide an example from 'fox' that shows that trump demanding nielson do what the CNN source says she and the DHS lawyers were told to do would in fact be illegal and you dance back to claiming trump 'didn't actually do it.
Like I said, don't get huffy at me just because I point out that your own source doesn't say what you think it says, or what you want it to say.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFalse. Nowhere in that OPINION piece does it quote Trump, or say that he ordered Nielsen to do anything illegal. What it does say is that "Asking Nielsen to single-handedly reverse this insane policy would be asking her to break the law," but it doesn't say that Trump did, in fact, ask her or instruct her or order her to "single-handedly reverse" policy. Note the use of the phrase "would be" which suggests speculation instead of the word "was" which would suggest something that actually happened. Furthermore, the opinion piece goes on to say that she had trouble working with Democrats to get the necessary votes to change the policy, and THIS is why she resigned, not because she refused to "single-handedly reverse" government policy.
Like I said, don't get huffy at me just because I point out that your own source doesn't say what you think it says, or what you want it to say.
Noting that the problem can be documented with Nielson and the DHS, it also existed with Sessions. Session correctly recused himself to avoid any appearance of bias in the case. Yet Trump tortured the man over it and eventually forced him out. Trump doesn't want people in his appointed positions with respect for the law, or the constitution, or impartiality where impartiality is critical. He wants people that put him and his wishes first and foremost above the law, the constitution, and the good of the country. And that is why so many have been fired by him. Because, apparently, there are a large number of people out there that are good at what they do whose moral limits, whose willingness to fudge on critical issues, simply does not stretch that far.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 04-12-2019, 01:51 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOxmix and MM, you two are getting almost as bad as Roy and LPOT.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt takes two honest people to have an honest discussion. I can only control my part of that equation. Likewise Roy.
Jim
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe CNN and WP articles already document the problem you claim doesn't exist as regards Nielson. the fox article simply clarifies the fact that what CNN and the WP article document Trump doing is in fact asking Nielson et al to break the law.
Sorry to say, but your smoking gun is shooting blanks.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt is just that you two (and Roy and LPOT) seem to just start fighting over who is honest and who isn't and who's sources are better or worse and all that and the thread suffers. It breaks down into name calling and ad homs.
But I'm content to let the matter rest.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostExcept it doesn't document that at all. It says that it would be illegal for Nielsen to take a certain action, which is probably true. What it doesn't say is that Trump, in fact, ordered her to take that action and then fired her when she refused.
Sorry to say, but your smoking gun is shooting blanks.
You are hiding behind the semantics of that con and pretending refusing to break the law wasn't the reason they were fired. But it is the reason they where fired, plain and simple.
Jim
*there are people that operate this way everywhere. Pray MM you never are in a position to have to answer to such a person.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-12-2019, 03:57 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo - this is just the con MM.
Whatever, man.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI quoted your own sources back to you, and now you tell me that it's a con.
Whatever, man.
Oops, this just in. Trump told border agents to refuse to let people in requesting asylum. Their supervisors when he left had to tell them to follow the law. That if they did what the president just told them, they could be personally liable to the law.
Oops, and this just in. Trump told the head of customs and border patrol that if he got in trouble doing what the president told him, he could rest assured he'd grant him a pardon.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 04-12-2019, 07:24 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostPlease explain for us dummies.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostOops, this just in. Trump told border agents to refuse to let people in requesting asylum. Their supervisors when he left had to tell them to follow the law. That if they did what the president just told them, they could be personally liable to the law.
Oops, and this just in. Trump told the head of customs and border patrol that if he got in trouble doing what the president told him, he could rest assured he'd grant him a pardon.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMore "sources say" BS from the liberal media?
"...senior administration officials tell CNN."
"Trump reportedly..."
"Two officials briefed on the exchange..."
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/12/pol...www.cnn.com%2FSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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