A human life _usually_ begins at conception ...

[One Bad Pig]

Actually, that is a painted doll.

Is it, or is it not, an accurate replication of what a 12 week old fetus looks like?

If an idea is (or might be) false, I don't have the option of accepting it because it makes arguing my position easier.

No one here is doing that. Suggesting otherwise is deceitful.

Which is really the point of this thread. Human lives do not always begin at conception, so although assuming they do makes for easier arguments, those arguments lack foundation.

Despite your attempts to nitpick otherwise, yes they do. Even twins - they're just not separate lives until one or two cell divisions have occurred.

[Roy]

You'd have a point if I had said that ALL human life begins at conception, but I didn't, and you don't.

I have a point because exceptions do undermine 'facts', and ignoring them is unscientific.

I note I'm still being called 'ignorant' by some-one who thinks skin cells don't respond to stimuli, and can't tell the difference between Egypt and Antarctica.

And if a zygote isn't a lifeform then what is it?

I've no idea. I've never claimed a zygote wasn't a life form.

[Mountain Man]

I have a point because exceptions do undermine 'facts', and ignoring them is unscientific.

No it's not. If you say, "It is a scientific fact that swans are white," that there are black swans doesn't undermine the fact. It would only be wrong if you said, "It is a scientific fact that ALL swans are white."

I've never claimed a zygote wasn't a life form.

When I said it's a scientific fact that human life begins at conception, you said, "No, it's an unscientific opinion promoted by non-scientists with a political agenda. Scientists know reality is more complicated."

Now you say that a zygote is a lifeform which nullifies your earlier objection.

[Roy]

Is it, or is it not, an accurate replication of what a 12 week old fetus looks like?

It is not, as you should have been able to find out for yourself.

No one here is doing that. Suggesting otherwise is deceitful.

If you were assuming that doll was an accurate replication, you just did it yourself.

Despite your attempts to nitpick otherwise, yes they do. Even twins - they're just not separate lives until one or two cell divisions have occurred.

I disagree, as do some of your fellows. A fertilised egg is not two lives, but one.

[mossrose]

It is not, as you should have been able to find out for yourself.If you were assuming that doll was an accurate replication, you just did it yourself

Looks pretty accurate to me.

Oh, wait! More propaganda! Too bad, Roy, suck it up.

https://www.babycenter.com/12-weeks-pregnant

[Roy]

So when do you think identical twins get their souls - and how do you know?

When they are conceived.

You didn't say how you know.

[Mountain Man]

Oh, wait! More propaganda! Too bad, Roy, suck it up.

What else would you expect from someone who links to Snopes!

[ke7ejx]

What else would you expect from someone who links to Snopes!

Of course! It's the few pieces of ammunition he has at his disposal, that and nitpicking or moving the goalpost.

[One Bad Pig]

It is not, as you should have been able to find out for yourself.If you were assuming that doll was an accurate replication, you just did it yourself.I disagree, as do some of your fellows. A fertilised egg is not two lives, but one.

It is A life, which is the entire point of the argument. Don't you have anything better to do than irrelevant nitpicking?

[Bill the Cat]

You didn't say how you know.

Why do I need to? I DON'T know. And it's irrelevant to what I have been arguing.

[Catholicity]

Actually it's not representative of a 12 week gestation at all. The head is entirely too big and the baby is too long.

[Sparko]

Some people have proposed that the zygote splits because it already has two or more souls at conception.

so? You asked what I thought and I told you.

[Tassman]

I've cited biological definitions and references. You've cited psychology. I've proofread enough of my daughter's college biology papers to have at least a decent grasp on the basics of embryology and fetal development.

You have cited NO biological definitions and references for the existence of souls or, if they exist, at what point they are instilled into the human organism.

[Bill the Cat]

You have cited NO biological definitions and references for the existence of souls or, if they exist, at what point they are instilled into the human organism.

Because that's not my argument, moron...

[Tassman]

Because that's not my argument, moron...

It is your argument that souls exist. In #134, you state authoritatively that souls are instilled at conception. How do you know that?