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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Great! Also, unsurprising. Also... so why the objection to the Green New Deal wanting more of what's already happening?
    One source of numbers and graphs on the subject (wiki). But it's nothing you can't google.
    So where did you get your hydroelectric number from?

    Nuclear power is a non-greenhouse gas emitting method for electricity generation that is often not classed as 'renewable' but sometimes is, or varies depending on the precise nuclear power generation method, and which constitutes ~20% of current US electricity generation. The DOE's "renewables" definition isn't including nuclear, and my figure for non-greenhouse emitting methods did include it, hence different numbers.

    Nuclear power has long been a divisive topic, as it offers powerful pros along with powerful cons, and how one thinks they balance out is rather subjective. Some people view the expansion of nuclear power usage as an easy solution to the problem of climate change, others think that nuclear power in general should be phased out. Personally, I think nuclear power is a decent choice and nuclear capacity should probably be expanded (although Republican states in the US seem to typically use new nuclear power plant projects as a way to funnel taxpayer money to private companies who don't actually end up building the power plant, thus costing $9 billion in South Carolina and $28 billion in Georgia but not producing actual power plants... ).
    Too bad part of the energy deal is shutting down nuclear power.

    Something that may be controversial about the final Green New Deal may be whether it explicitly embraces or explicitly rejects nuclear power. I suspect the negotiation process will split the difference and stay relatively silent on the subject. The current Resolution text before congress does not mention the word nuclear, and its commitment to zero-emission sources is worded:
    meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources

    It is not clear whether nuclear power meets that criteria or not, and I suspect the ambiguity was quite intentional. I suspect the final approach by the Democrats post-special-committee analysis, will be to neither say anything against nuclear power nor anything for it, and that it will be allowed to be counted toward the 100% zero-emitting sources goal but that it won't be encouraged or subsidized. But that's just me guessing. It could well be affected by what, if anything, 2020 presidential candidates say about nuclear power.
    More dams is impractical in the US because most rivers that could reasonably be dammed already have been. However many existing dams are not currently being used for power generation and could be altered to be power stations. You would indeed need/want quite a lot of wind turbines and solar cells, and it would require covering land area equivalent to ~1%-3% of the state of Arizona with them to supply the entire country's electricity needs off them alone. So I suggest retaining the country's existing hydro and nuclear production and supplementing it with solar and wind power would be a better way to go.
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    • "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        This should be interesting:


        McConnell to bring Green New Deal to vote, forcing 2020 Dems to go on record...

        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...o-radical-plan
        Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), who along with Ocasio-Cortez, co-authored the resolution/bill is livid saying it is all a plot to "sabotage" it. Of course he hasn't exactly explained how allowing a vote on what he and dingbat proposed is tantamount to sabotaging it


        As an aside, Wikipedia lists McConnell as being one of the resolution's proponents.

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), who along with Ocasio-Cortez, co-authored the resolution/bill is livid saying it is all a plot to "sabotage" it. Of course he hasn't exactly explained how allowing a vote on what he and dingbat proposed is tantamount to sabotaging it


          As an aside, Wikipedia lists McConnell as being one of the resolution's proponents.
          Wouldn't it be a hoot if it actually passed?
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            Oh ye of little faith. I'm confident he'll cope just fine.
            I'm not talking about him coping but rather that others should keep this in mind the next time he starts insisting that something is either true or false in the face of contradicting evidence. We now have indisputable proof that he'll mindlessly regurgitate his talking points even when it flies in the face of reality -- just like little jimmy does.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Wouldn't it be a hoot if it actually passed?
              Pelosi will work harder to make sure that the vote isn't even close than she did to fight Trump's wall. She's well aware that success would torpedo any chance to take back the White House in 2020 but would also result in the Democrats going right back to minority status in the House as well.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                I'm not talking about him coping but rather that others should keep this in mind the next time he starts insisting that something is either true or false in the face of contradicting evidence. We now have indisputable proof that he'll mindlessly regurgitate his talking points even when it flies in the face of reality -- just like little jimmy does.
                You're only just now discovering this?
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                • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  You're only just now discovering this?
                  I don't take him seriously enough to follow what he says that often.

                  I've heard others claim he's more intelligent than little jimmy but it is obvious that he is merely more articulate.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), who along with Ocasio-Cortez, co-authored the resolution/bill is livid saying it is all a plot to "sabotage" it. Of course he hasn't exactly explained how allowing a vote on what he and dingbat proposed is tantamount to sabotaging it
                    Probably because he knows a vote will destroy this nonsense before it even gets started. Even Nancy Pelosi knows better than to pull the "We have to pass it before we can know what's in it" stunt a second time.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      I've heard others claim he's more intelligent than little jimmy but it is obvious that he is merely more articulate.
                      You do realize that "more intelligent than little jimmy" is setting the bar rather low.
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                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Probably because he knows a vote will destroy this nonsense before it even gets started. Even Nancy Pelosi knows better than to pull the "We have to pass it before we can know what's in it" stunt a second time.
                        It'll be interesting to see how many of it's co-sponsors won't vote for it

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          I don't take him seriously enough to follow what he says that often.

                          I've heard others claim he's more intelligent than little jimmy but it is obvious that he is merely more articulate.
                          He probably has a higher IQ than I do. That doesn't mean he's automatically more correct on issues.
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                          • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            He probably has a higher IQ than I do. That doesn't mean he's automatically more correct on issues.
                            The smarter they are the dumber they fall?

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                            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              He probably has a higher IQ than I do. That doesn't mean he's automatically more correct on issues.
                              Pigs are some of the smartest critters on the planet!
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • We have a major electric recharging station up in our outlet mall area, right off the I-15. Since Barstow is the midpoint between SoCal port/beach cities and Las Vegas NV, that makes sense. There's a smaller one on East Main mostly for non-Tesla vehicles, off the junction of the I-15 and the I-40. I haven't seen any breakout on the usage yet so will have to do some digging.
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