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Originally posted by Tassman View Post...What has NOT been responded to is why the Christian Church got this wrong for most of its history....
Tass, assuming you're right (and that's a really far out assumption), we are not responsible for "long ago" - we are responsible for the lives we live now.
If you wanna play stupid games, I could ask, regarding homosexuality being a mental disorder, "why the medical community got this wrong for most of its history (up until 1973)...." See how that works?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIn a move which has surely shocked no one, Tassman has managed to flat out ignore that his favored source is highly questionable.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTass, assuming you're right (and that's a really far out assumption), we are not responsible for "long ago" - we are responsible for the lives we live now.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View Posttoday. What has NOT been responded to is why the Christian Church got this wrong for most of its history. Women were overtly suppressed for centuries and this was justified in the name of the very scriptures now claimed to say the opposite. If you disagree then provide examples of the equality of opportunity and civil rights for women in Christian societies before
Very briefly here:
For most of the 2000 years, the vast majority of men and women could not vote, own property or take public office.
And everyone in the family (man, woman, and children) had to work constantly (mostly agriculture) to survive. Among most of people, work was pretty equal.
As for positive examples, I had given the example that for most of the 2000 years the vast majority of men and women were uneducated. When education became possible for more people in the early renaissance, the renaissance thinkers advocated for education of both women and men, and did educate women.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostCrossan & Reed's interpretation is possible, but speculative. Assuming the damage is deliberate (it's possible, given the other damage to the figures, that the specific damage noted is merely coincidental in placement), there is no way to tell who defaced the image or why. Crossan is, of course, known for his imaginative interpretation of evidence.
It is possible that an heretical sect was responsible for creating the icons, or even added Theoklia's icon to a preexisting icon of Paul. Nonetheless, the explanation of iconography (height and posture) is (to the best of my knowledge) accurate, and, regardless of origin or background - there was at least one group that valued Theoklia (if no other) as equal in position to Paul.Last edited by tabibito; 03-06-2019, 02:51 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIn principle, agreed. Likelihood of alternative explanations for the damage is, by my assessment and in this particular case, remote. Crossan's assessment of the likely motives on the other hand, is (again by my assessment) very much open to question.
It is possible that an heretical sect was responsible for creating the icons, or even added Theoklia's icon to a preexisting icon of Paul. Nonetheless, the explanation of iconography (height and posture) is (to the best of my knowledge) accurate, and, regardless of origin or background - there was at least one group that valued Theoklia (if no other) as equal in position to Paul.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Tass, assuming you're right (and that's a really far out assumption), we are not responsible for "long ago" - we are responsible for the lives we live now.If you wanna play stupid games, I could ask, regarding homosexuality being a mental disorder, "why the medical community got this wrong for most of its history (up until 1973)Last edited by Tassman; 03-06-2019, 10:01 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSimply throwing the same ignorant crap against the wall is not debate, Tassy. You need to come up with some new material.
The lad does have the annoying habit of constantly and annoyingly repeating the same opinion again and again.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSimply throwing the same ignorant crap against the wall is not debate, Tassy. You need to come up with some new material.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostThe role of women throughout Christian history being a case in point.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post617930
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post617933Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd you're just going to ignore the fact that your source for this claim was thoroughly debunked?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post617930
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post617933The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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You think that caring for the family and home was deemed a "second class" occupation? Go read Proverbs 31 and then try to tell me that a homemaker was looked down upon.
And do you know why Paul instructed women to be silent in church? Go see if you can figure it out with a quality source. I'll give you a hint: It wasn't because women were seen as second class citizens.
The Bible says nothing against women owning property or voting, and being subordinate to male leaders in the church is not to say they were subservient or looked down upon.
Got any more chestnuts that need cracking?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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