So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[seer]

I just want to be clear thatb you agree that sexual attraction to children is not a disorder and perfectly normal. And I suspect that you have no problem with bestiality either.

[Sparko]

Your question betrays your ignorance. 'Mental disorders' are inextricably tied to behavior. A 'mental disorder' is a major disturbance or distress in thinking, feelings and behavior resulting in unacceptable behavior or disability or harm being caused in social situations or in the workplace. If they do not cause personal distress or disability and are not acted upon, they cannot be appropriately referred to as a mental disorder.

You would make a lousy psychiatrist. Mental disorders are tied to the brain. They can express themselves in behavior that that is a symptom of the mental illness, not the illness itself. Like OCD. It can express itself in repetitive behaviors but it can just as easily be completely mental without any physical behavior. Like counting over and over. Desiring to have sex with children is a mental disorder Tassy, whether they act on it or not.

I can't believe you are even defending this. You don't think someone desiring and fantasizing about raping children has a mental disorder? You think that is perfectly normal? You are going with this?

[Sparko]

Jim, as a Christian, wouldn't you agree that any sinful desire (whether acted on or not) is a psychological disorder? Degrees of insanity?

I think he is saying some people are just evil. SANE and evil.

[Sparko]

So is someone who is attracted to the same sex but doesn't act on it have a homosexual orientation or not?

[Tassman]

Of course Tass, we all have the psychological disorder called sin.

And who cares what psychologists say?

People who need guidance and help and professional expertise in adjusting to life and overcoming trauma care very much.

Its not like it is science. After all sexual attraction to children was once considered a disorder by them, then just like that it wasn't. Gender dysphoria too was once consider a disorder, then it wasn't, same with homosexuality.

Psychiatry no longer considers lesbian, gay and bisexual orientations disorders, because extensive research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Individuals, including pedophiles (provided they don't act upon their urges), are not considered mentally disordered if they can effectively adjust to the community and demonstrate no generalized impairment in social behavior.

They seem to change with the political winds.

You mean like the Southern Baptist Convention changing attitudes towards slavery or abortion.

[Tassman]

So is someone who is attracted to the same sex but doesn't act on it have a homosexual orientation or not?

never in a position to provide informed consent, hence it is NEVER acceptable to act upon pedophile urges.

[seer]

I was talking to a fellow Christian, not you.

People who need guidance and help and professional expertise in adjusting to life and overcoming trauma care very much.

Yes, pretty useless. Just load people up with psychotropic meds...

Psychiatry no longer considers lesbian, gay and bisexual orientations disorders, because extensive research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Individuals, including pedophiles (provided they don't act upon their urges), are not considered mentally disordered if they can effectively adjust to the community and demonstrate no generalized impairment in social behavior.

That is an arbitrary distinction. What is wrong with acting on your urges? Homosexuals can act on their urges with it being a pathology. Pedophilia, has a long history of acceptance in various cultures.

You mean like the Southern Baptist Convention changing attitudes towards slavery or abortion.

Southern Baptist don't speak for all Christian, I'm a New England Congregationalist, and we were pretty much against slavery from the get go, ask John Brown who was baptized in my Church.

[Bill the Cat]

Let's see... I am discussing what the term "normal" means, and you go off about legal rights. And I am the one burning straw?? As I said, you're a complete idiot.

In so doing you are excluding every normal variation within the human condition including homosexuality, those with chronic medical conditions and those with minority characteristics such as red hair.

That they are "variations" by default makes them not normal. That's what abnormal means.

[Sparko]

never in a position to provide informed consent, hence it is NEVER acceptable to act upon pedophile urges.

So pedophilia is an acceptable sexual orientation, Tassman?

And if a homosexual is still a homosexual even if he doesn't act on it, then a pedophile is still a pedophile even if he doesn't act on it. Therefore the mental condition is not based on behavior at all. If someone fantasizes about raping children, they are mentally ill (or just plain evil as Oxmixx has suggested) whether or not they act on it. The only thing they have not done yet is actually break the law. There is no law against fantasizing, but there is upon behavior. The mental disorder is still there in both cases.

An alcoholic who never takes a drink is still an alcoholic and still has the addiction.

[Tassman]

Let's see... I am discussing what the term "normal" means, and you go off about legal rights. And I am the one burning straw??

Why are you discussing what the term "normal" means?

That they are "variations" by default makes them not normal. That's what abnormal means.

Definitions of normality vary by person, time, place, and situation and encompass many facets of human behavior, condition and ideation, including hair color and sexual orientation..

[Tassman]

I was talking to a fellow Christian, not you.

Yes, pretty useless. Just load people up with psychotropic meds...

That is an arbitrary distinction. What is wrong with acting on your urges?

Homosexuals can act on their urges with it being a pathology. Pedophilia, has a long history of acceptance in various cultures.

Homosexuality is not a pathology. Extensive research has found no inherent association between homosexual sexual orientations and psychopathology. Anti-homosexuality derives from a nomadic Bronze Age religion and has not been found throughout most of human history outside of the Abrahamic religions.

Southern Baptist don't speak for all Christian, I'm a New England Congregationalist, and we were pretty much against slavery from the get go, ask John Brown who was baptized in my Church.

Nevertheless, the Southern Baptist Convention is the is the largest single Protestant denomination in the United States. It was founded to retain slavery and renounced it only relatively recently. Obviously, Christianity "just blows with the political winds".

[Tassman]

So pedophilia is an acceptable sexual orientation, Tassman?

[seer]

Remember Tass I spent ten years in the mental health field, and there are plenty of studies showing the positive effect of prayer on mental health. So you got nothing Tass.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/new-st...mental-health/

And how is that not arbitrary as compared to older or different cultures?

Homosexuality is not a pathology. Extensive research has found no inherent association between homosexual sexual orientations and psychopathology. Anti-homosexuality derives from a nomadic Bronze Age religion and has not been found throughout most of human history outside of the Abrahamic religions.

Right they arbitrarily decide what is or is not a pathology, then arbitrarily decide what to apply it to or not. You have no clue, no objective standards for what is normal or not.

[Sparko]

What about them just fantasizing about raping children and viewing child pornography?

[Bill the Cat]

Why are you discussing what the term "normal" means?

Because, until you can agree on terminology, a true debate can't happen.

Definitions of normality vary by person, time, place, and situation and encompass many facets of human behavior, condition and ideation, including hair color and sexual orientation..

That's not how any of this works...