So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[tabibito]

Would that be the patriarchal tradition wherein women were prohibited from the priest-hood, but were thoroughly and demonstrably permitted to hold the much higher rank of prophet, and the even higher rank (while the post existed) of judge?

[Tassman]

But that is not wrong in any objective sense, it is in fact how nature created us.

There is nosubjective process. E.g. Christians no longer try to justify slavery with passages such as in Romans 13 OR the subjugation of women as per 1 Timothy 2.

That is just silly Tass, for us to evolve morally there needs to be an objective standard that we are moving towards. If not no behavior is more evolved than another. "What ever is, is right."

[seer]

There is nosubjective process. E.g. Christians no longer try to justify slavery with passages such as in Romans 13 OR the subjugation of women as per 1 Timothy 2.

But what is your point, the Western World grew and thrived with male dominance. Just as primates thrive with male dominance. What is your problem?


But we had social cohesion with male dominance and the West thrived. So what is your beef?

[Cow Poke]

No, just part of your constantly shifting "argument".

I'm fully aware that you can babble the same thing over and over, until proven wrong, then babble something new over and over and over....

[lilpixieofterror]

No, just part of your constantly shifting "argument".



I'm fully aware that you can babble the same thing over and over, until proven wrong, then babble something new over and over and over....

[Sparko]

Why are people continuing to argue with Tassman? Who cares what he thinks. He is merely ignoring everyone and repeating himself.

He has been answered over and over and proven wrong.

[seer]

Would that be the patriarchal tradition wherein women were prohibited from the priest-hood, but were thoroughly and demonstrably permitted to hold the much higher rank of prophet, and the even higher rank (while the post existed) of judge?

I'm sorry men have primacy in the family and in the Church, women are not to rule over men.

[Cow Poke]

I'm sorry men have primacy in the family and in the Church, women are not to rule over men.

And, being an entirely volunteer army, nobody forces them to join.

[carpedm9587]

There is nosubjective

If morality is indeed part of the evolutionary model (and I increasingly think so), then it does indeed have an objective target: the same one evolution itself has. Evolution always moves a species to better adaptation to its environmental niche. That is an objective target, albeit not an absolute one (since it is always changing). Since everything else about us is associated with evolution, I don't see how one can avoid morality also being part of the evolutionary process. However, I have to admit I have not given that a great deal of thought.

[seer]

And, being an entirely volunteer army, nobody forces them to join.

I didn't say anything about the Army.

[Cow Poke]

I didn't say anything about the Army.

It's an analogy... the "Christian army", you know...

(sing it with me, kids)

I may never march in the infantry
ride in the Cavalry
Shoot the artillery
I may never ZOOOoooom o're the enemy
But I'm in the Lord's Army!

Nobody forces (now that draft is over) people to join the US army, OR the "CHRISTIAN ARMY".


(it's not nearly as much fun when you have to 'splain it)

[seer]

It's an analogy... the "Christian army", you know...

(sing it with me, kids)

I may never march in the infantry
ride in the Cavalry
Shoot the artillery
I may never ZOOOoooom o're the enemy
But I'm in the Lord's Army!

Nobody forces (now that draft is over) people to join the US army, OR the "CHRISTIAN ARMY".


(it's not nearly as much fun when you have to 'splain it)

I get it now!

[Cow Poke]

I get it now!

[tabibito]

I'm sorry men have primacy in the family and in the Church, women are not to rule over men.

So how do you explain that fact that the Church ignored the edicts for more than the first 300 years of its existence? and the records showing that God didn't pay a whole lot of attention to those edicts in either the Old Testament or the New?

[Christianbookworm]

Being a Christian has more long term perks than the boring old national armies! And the Commander is also infinitely cooler! The authority figure above all authority figures!