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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd yet among Evangelicals this seems to translate as a woman being created as a helper to her husband, the bearer of children, and keeper at home.
When did you become such a glaring anti-woman bigot to suggest that they alone should be a helper to their husbands, bear him children, and take care of them?
See what I did there, Tass? I kinda weaponized your own statement to make it sound like it's a bad thing for a mother to take care of her children.
Is this what you believe to be the divinely ordained sphere of dominion for a wife,....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostLook up Deborah in Judges and Phoebe in Romans in the bible.
I also like to point to Mary the mother of Jesus who was given what I consider to be the greatest honor in all of human history: to give birth to the Messiah. Remember, it was well within God's power to create Jesus' body from the dust of the ground and have Joseph discover the baby in a burning bush or something. But instead God gave this unique honor to Mary.Last edited by Mountain Man; 02-21-2019, 08:34 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd yet among Evangelicals this seems to translate as a woman being created as a helper to her husband, the bearer of children, and keeper at home. Is this what you believe to be the divinely ordained sphere of dominion for a wife, i.e. keeping to the household and that which is connected with the home and children under the authority of her husband. This has been the traditional view in Patriarchal societies as we see depicted in the OT and creeping over into the NT, but our society has moved on since then; is this a 'bad thing' in your view? Are women not entitled to pursue productive, fulfilling careers, or is this just the man's divinely ordained sphere of dominion?
Where does the Ephesians passage say anything about this?
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Originally posted by Joel View Post
Where does the Ephesians passage say anything about this?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23
For
the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church:
and
he is the saviour of the body. 24http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...=greek#lexicon1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostLook up Deborah in Judges and Phoebe in Romans in the bible.
** Well (so tis said) there was ONE early Church father who referred to Junia as a man, but he also referred to Phoebe as a man.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAre women not entitled to pursue productive, fulfilling careers, or is this just the man's divinely ordained sphere of dominion?
13 She obtains wool and flax,
and she is pleased to work with her hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships;
she brings her food from afar.
15 She also gets up while it is still night,
and provides food for her household and a portion to her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
from her own income she plants a vineyard.
17 She begins her work vigorously,
and she strengthens her arms.
18 She knows that her merchandise is good,
and her lamp does not go out in the night.
19 Her hands take hold of the distaff,
and her hands grasp the spindle.
20 She extends her hand to the poor,
and reaches out her hand to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household,
for all of her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She makes for herself coverlets;
her clothing is fine linen and purple.
Of course, the feminist cadre like to call all this an example of the workings of Biblical misogynistic patriarchy.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, after all, you yourself said...
When did you become such a glaring anti-woman bigot to suggest that they alone should be a helper to their husbands, bear him children, and take care of them?
See what I did there, Tass? I kinda weaponized your own statement to make it sound like it's a bad thing for a mother to take care of her children.I just deleted the rest of your post because it's so profoundly ignorant and misguided as to not be worthy of a rebuttal. A PREbuttal, perhaps, but not a rebuttal.Last edited by Tassman; 02-22-2019, 01:11 AM.
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Originally posted by Joel View PostWhere does the Ephesians passage say anything about this?
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostWhere in the 2,000 year history of Christianity have women been more than the subordinate helper to her husband, the bearer of his children, and keeper at home? Answer: Never. Not until the staunchly resisted feminist movement beginning with the SuffragettesSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Today's elevator story:
I decided to listen to Tassman, so today I held the elevator door for a man [well he appeared to be male but I didn't inquire as to his preferred gender] entering the elevator. He said, "Wow, thanks so much!" I said, "You're welcome!" and we rode down. We stopped a couple of floors below and a woman got on [again the person appeared to be female but I didn't inquire].
Trying not to be toxic, we stood our ground and made the woman move to the back of the elevator. When we reached the ground floor, the other man, said "After you, I insist!" to me, and I exited the elevator first, with him second and the woman in the back exiting last. I bid the gentleman "Have a good day, sir!" and he did the same to me. The woman we ignored.
Ah it feels so good to be non-toxic! I should have become a liberal long ago!
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhere in the 2,000 year history of Christianity have women been more than the subordinate helper to her husband, the bearer of his children, and keeper at home? Answer: Never. Not until the staunchly resisted feminist movement beginning with the SuffragettesVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Tassman View Postgood thing for a mother to take care of her children.
It is not
as seems to be assumed by many on your side of the fence.
She is entitled to a career and a life outside of the home just as men are, which is why it is essential that she get fully paid maternity leave so she can do both.
You would have been wise to have deleted this moronic post, too, Tass.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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