Shutdown Over Border Security?

[Bill the Cat]

It's not enough to do hardly anything with and provides no margin of error.


But not enough money to actually accomplish it. That's what I have been saying. Dems give lip service to border security.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...p-nbpc/580237/

This is what Pelosi is advocating.

In word, maybe, but the old expression "put your money where your mouth is" seems to be lost on her and Chuckles.

Do you deny that Trump was about to vote for the bill before Coulter and Rush Limbaugh threatened Trump with the loss of core-base support?

I declared that it had nothing to do with talk radio and everything to do with the Freedom Caucus. They made the pitch that it wasn't enough.

it is not a Trump shutdown or Pelosi shutdown. It is a Rush Limbaugh shutdown, an Ann Coulter shutdown.

Sorry, no. It's the crypt keeper Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles' shutdown.

Right-wing minority rule is now holding the country to ransom. And you are supporting it.

Last I saw, 2/3 of the decision making entities are controlled by the Republican party, so no. Left wing minority rules are using a few hundred thousand government workers as political fodder. More and more lawmakers are coming to realize it and break with Nancy and Chuckles



And the crypt keeper Nancy isn't??? There's only TWO reasons this shutdown is happening. 1) Trump wants something, so Nancy obstructs it. and 2) More illegals = more DACA = more votes for the leftist pimps.

you voted for, namely Trump.

No. I assure you I am not confusing them. Nancy is a pimp forcing illegal children to depend on her for citizenship just like a prostitute depends on their drug pushing pimp who got them strung out. And YOU keep voting for the pimps. You should be ashamed of yourself, if you even had a passing knowledge of what shame and self-reflection were...

[Bill the Cat]

A lot of people "missed". That's why we saw so many glum faces on election night.

And Carp seems to be saying that it wasn't the polls' fault, it was everyone else's fault for reading them and citing them as reported.

[rogue06]

Right now it seems Trump can choose between lowering his approval rating further or giving in. In the last case it as also going to lower his approval rating. Trump is yet to realize that this is not a simple chicken game. If he ever understands it, it is probably going to be too late.

As Democrat resistance starts cracking it doesn't look like he'll have to hold out much longer and by 2020 the disapproval will all be but forgotten (except among those who will never vote for him any way). But if he caves it'll be his "read my lips, no new taxes" fiasco and he'll definitely be a one term president.

[rogue06]

And Carp seems to be saying that it wasn't the polls' fault, it was everyone else's fault for reading them and citing them as reported.

Pretty much.

[Mountain Man]

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[Charles]

But if he caves it'll be his "read my lips, no new taxes" fiasco and he'll definitely be a one term president.

I am not too certain that he will make it as far as one full term.

[One Bad Pig]

I am not too certain that he will make it as far as one full term.

It would take something truly epic to get him kicked out at this point. I don't see him resigning.

[firstfloor]

Some people are just on the wrong side of history, like the Imperial Japanese Navy at Pearl Harbour. People like the unfortunate Addison Mitchell McConnell Jr.
He must now attempt to save his blackened soul by going around Trump to end the shutdown.

[rogue06]

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Of course they aren't alone. Something like three times as many lobbyists accompanied them.

[Bill the Cat]

Some people are just on the wrong side of history, like the Imperial Japanese Navy at Pearl Harbour...

People like the addlebrained FirstFloor...

[carpedm9587]

And Carp seems to be saying that it wasn't the polls' fault, it was everyone else's fault for reading them and citing them as reported.

No - Carp is saying "the vast majority weren't wrong." Many folks here do not seem to know the difference between a poll and a probability statement based on those polls. I think a lot of people here need a basic class in probability and statistics. They don't seem to understand the difference. And I'm frankly tired of attempting to explain it to folks who clearly just don't want to know. If the data and the facts don't convince...then rational discussion is somewhat pointless.

Last word to ya'll. I'm moving on...(from the polling discussion)...

[JimL]

As Democrat resistance starts cracking it doesn't look like he'll have to hold out much longer and by 2020 the disapproval will all be but forgotten (except among those who will never vote for him any way). But if he caves it'll be his "read my lips, no new taxes" fiasco and he'll definitely be a one term president.

You think the treasonous crook will actually get through his first term?

[JimL]

It would take something truly epic to get him kicked out at this point. I don't see him resigning.

Like Nixon, he'll resign if he understands he will otherwise be impeached. He'll most likely be indicted, or actually there is a pretty good chance that he's been secretly indicted already, though it won't be acted on until he is out of office.

[JimL]

Some people are just on the wrong side of history, like the Imperial Japanese Navy at Pearl Harbour. People like the unfortunate Addison Mitchell McConnell Jr.
He must now attempt to save his blackened soul by going around Trump to end the shutdown.

Mitch is nowhere to be found, he's in hiding. This could cost him his Senate seat next time around. Let's hope so!

[JimL]

People like the addlebrained FirstFloor...

Nope, people like you Bill, just like in the Joseph McCarthy era and the Nixon era.