new report on Russian meddling ...

[oxmixmudd]

I agree. I would not rule out the possibility that he is misunderstanding on purpose, though.

I try hard to stay away from motivations That he doesn't understand the argument (or how the argument has validity) is clear. That he isn't making any efforts to understand it is also clear. Beyond that is speculation.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

That he doesn't understand the argument (or how the argument has validity) is clear. That he isn't making any efforts to understand it is also clear.

Just because I poked a hole in your argument big enough to sail a supertanker through doesn't mean I don't understand it.

[lilpixieofterror]

Which only means that there is no way to know witha any certainty what effect the Russian interference had on people, or how or why people voted the way they did. But we do know the intent, i.e. to get your guy elected. The Russian's themselves were pretty convinced that their tactics were what ultimately got their/your guy elected.

IE, you believe based on blind faith.

[oxmixmudd]

Just because I poked a hole in your argument big enough to sail a supertanker through doesn't mean I don't understand it.

That is not an argument. That is a joke.

So this is must be the supertanker you're thinking about

supertanker.jpg


Jim

[JimL]

It took a whole Google search to find:

Putin ran for reelection in March 2012.

Source: The Guardian

Vladimir Putin has accused Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, of fomenting an increasingly vociferous opposition movement in Russia, threatening to derail the two countries' fragile resetting of relations.

The accusation builds on months of Russian statements and media coverage blaming popular uprisings around the Arab world on western scheming. It comes as Washington and Moscow tussle over a host of disagreements, from missile defence to Syria.

Speaking to supporters on Thursday, Putin accused Clinton of giving "the signal" to opposition leaders, who are expected to gather with tens of thousands of supporters for a protest on Saturday. He rejected Clinton's repeated criticism of a parliamentary vote last weekend that gave Putin's United Russia party nearly 50% of the vote amid widespread reports of fraud.

"[Opposition leaders] heard the signal and with the support of the US state department began active work," Putin said during a meeting of the All-Russia People's Front, a new political movement set up to support his presidential candidacy in a 4 March election.

"We are all grownups here. We all understand the organisers are acting according to a well-known scenario and in their own mercenary political interests," he said.

Clinton raised the issue of Russia's elections again on Thursday during a visit to Brussels. "Human rights is part of who we are," she said, after Putin's comments emerged. "And we expressed concerns that we thought were well founded about the conduct of the elections.

"We are supportive of the rights and aspirations of the Russian people to be able to make progress and realise a better future for themselves."

© Copyright Original Source

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Yes, I believe most everyone is aware of Clinton's condemnation of the fraudulent nature of Putin's win in the Russian election, but that is not, as you suggested, interfering with the election itself as the Russians did in aiding the Trump win.

[JimL]

Whaaaaa? The US interfered in a Russian election? Say it isn't so!

It isn't so.

[Bill the Cat]

Yes, I believe most everyone is aware of Clinton's condemnation of the fraudulent nature of Putin's win in the Russian election, but that is not, as you suggested, interfering with the election itself as the Russians did in aiding the Trump win.

Nate Silver begs to differ.

[Mountain Man]

So this is must be the supertanker you're thinking about

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So you agree that I poked a hole in your argument.

[oxmixmudd]

So you agree that I poked a hole in your argument.

No - I believe you made a joke and called it an argument, so I made a joke about the fictional supertanker.

You a little slow these days? Too much holiday food?

[Mountain Man]

I believe you made a joke and called it an argument...

And some people believe the earth is flat.

[One Bad Pig]

Yes, I believe most everyone is aware of Clinton's condemnation of the fraudulent nature of Putin's win in the Russian election, but that is not, as you suggested, interfering with the election itself as the Russians did in aiding the Trump win.

If you bothered to read more carefully, you'd notice that Clinton's condemnations began months before Putin's win.

[JimL]

If you bothered to read more carefully, you'd notice that Clinton's condemnations began months before Putin's win.

Equating what one person said, i.e. Clinton, in speaking out about the corruptness of the so called democratic Russian elections, with the interference war the Russians perpetrated on the U.S is ridiculous. This is the problem with you Trump supporters, you'll even defend Russia over an American Secretary of state pointing out the corruption in their electoral process.

[Sparko]

Equating what one person said, i.e. Clinton, in speaking out about the corruptness of the so called democratic Russian elections, with the interference war the Russians perpetrated on the U.S is ridiculous. This is the problem with you Trump supporters, you'll even defend Russia over an American Secretary of state pointing out the corruption in their electoral process.

They were explaining why Putin hates Clinton so much. Keep up Jimmy.

[JimL]

They were explaining why Putin hates Clinton so much. Keep up Jimmy.

I know, but your missing the point in the dispute between me and OBP. Stay focused, Sparko.

[Sparko]

I know, but your missing the point in the dispute between me and OBP. Stay focused, Sparko.

And you handwaved away all of the news sources that prove him right and Putin was accusing Clinton of meddling with their election and fomenting uprisings.