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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe ironic thing is that Democrats don't "talk to the head" - they are all about appealing to emotions. Just look at all of their issues and how they try to use shame on people and call people racists and bigot and want to be inclusive and hug everyone and everyone can have a trophy and be any gender they want to be, yada, yada.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell yes.
Apart from Chuck Schumer who seems to be an A-grade dunce, whose idea of negotiating with McConnell is to give McConnell everything he wants repeatedly in exchange for nothing.
Yeah, Dems have a bit of a tendency to get a bit wonky and over-intellectual on policy details. Whereas Republicans have a tendency to chant "lock her up", or fear-monger about imaginary ISIS agents from the middle east who are Totally hiding in a small caravan of a few central american asylum seekers.
Reminds me of a short vid I watched yesterday: Psychiatrist: Trump Supporters Think Like Five Year Olds
Last edited by JimL; 12-07-2018, 03:28 AM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYes. Though I suspect backwards to what you mean. Dunning and Kruger found that intelligent people and experts would often assume the abilities of those who they interacted with were higher than they really were, because they tended to assume everyone else was smart and competent like they were, and as a result communication could suffer.
Though it is their other finding that is more commonly referenced, but which doesn't apply in this context: That ignorant people assume they are much more informed than they are because they are ignorant about how much they don't know.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostExcellent vid. So many Trumpsters are just like that, just big mouthed know nothing 5 year olds. It's always both humorous and sad to watch these people, but the con man had them pegged from the get go. Just play to their 5 year old emotions and you'll never lose their support. He can fail to repeal and replace Obama care, he can destroy the economy with his tariffs, he can unnecessarily raise the debt, he can fail to get Mexico to pay for his wall, he can fail to stop industries from moving out of the country, taking thousands of jobs with them, he can give huge tax cuts to the rich, he can lie to them every time he opns his mouth, he could probably even shoot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose their support. I mean nothing really matters to these ignorant cult members accept his personality, they love that he speaks his mind, you know, that he's vulger and rude."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell yes.
Apart from Chuck Schumer who seems to be an A-grade dunce, whose idea of negotiating with McConnell is to give McConnell everything he wants repeatedly in exchange for nothing.
Yeah, Dems have a bit of a tendency to get a bit wonky and over-intellectual on policy details. Whereas Republicans have a tendency to chant "lock her up", or fear-monger about imaginary ISIS agents from the middle east who are Totally hiding in a small caravan of a few central american asylum seekers.
Reminds me of a short vid I watched yesterday: Psychiatrist: Trump Supporters Think Like Five Year Olds
"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post... Though it is their other finding that is more commonly referenced, but which doesn't apply in this context: That ignorant people assume they are much more informed than they are because they are ignorant about how much they don't know.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI was correcting Starlight's first definition.
MM said the same thing I did. Stupid people don't know how stupid they are.
Not the first time Roy's pulled something like that.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI was correcting Starlight's first definition.
I thought you were correcting Starlight's error in casting the D-K effect in terms of knowledge, not ability - but it seems I was wrong. You were actually trying to correct Starlight re the D-K effect referring to people of low ability, not high ability. Unfortunately, D&K presented findings about both groups, as mentioned by Starlight and apparently unknown to you even though you quoted him.MM said the same thing I did.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostStarlight's first definition was about the shortcomings of experts - people with [u]high[/I] ability. You were talking about people with low ability.
I thought you were correcting Starlight's error in casting the D-K effect in terms of knowledge, not ability - but it seems I was wrong. You were actually trying to correct Starlight re the D-K effect referring to people of low ability, not high ability. Unfortunately, D&K presented findings about both groups, as mentioned by Starlight and apparently unknown to you even though you quoted him.No, MM said the same thing Starlight did (2nd definition). Your quote was about competence; they both talked about knowledge.
Jed was asking if this [the claim in the OP] was the dunning - kruger effect, clearly referencing the idea that dumb people don't know how dumb they are.
Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostDemocrats Have a Hard Time "Connecting" With People Because Of "How Smart We Are"
Isn't there a name for this? Dunning-Kruger effect or some such thing?
Originally posted by Starlight View PostYes. Though I suspect backwards to what you mean. Dunning and Kruger found that intelligent people and experts would often assume the abilities of those who they interacted with were higher than they really were, because they tended to assume everyone else was smart and competent like they were, and as a result communication could suffer.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostRoy, in his haste to pounce on MM for imagined incompetence, improperly conflated "ignorant" with "stupid."
It seems you, Sparko and MM are all unskilled at spotting such subtleties, and unaware of it.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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