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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDrat!!!!
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI'm getting a laugh how some of her supporters are positive that she'll run for president in 2020 and beat Trump. I keep offering to bet one of them where I work (she recently moved here from Vermont and thinks Bernie Sanders is "da bomb") that she doesn't even run figuring she's not educated enough to figure out why this is a sure thing.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]33060[/ATTACH]
Obviously a key difference is in the amount of money a person ends up with. Through working you can earn a lot more money, despite taxes, than a person who doesn't work would get from the government.
Yes, it is possible, if you design the system particularly badly that some minimum wage workers might be incentivized to not work rather than work, but that would indicate both that the minimum wage is too low and that the design of the benefit system is poor."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by seer View PostJust about every convenience you enjoy, medical and technological advances, longer life, are largely do to free markets.
Let me, as a scientist, make this abundantly clear to you: Most scientific advances are government funded. Governments pour money into university research, and into subsidizing private research and development. Computers and the internet came almost entirely from government funding. It wasn't private companies who put a man on the moon. Most medical advances come from government funding. Elon Musk's innovative tech companies have received $5 billion in government grants.
The free market, in general, tends to be incredibly poor at scientific development left to its own devices because it chases short-term profits. Most general scientific research has no obvious immediate financial profit, and while it might lead in 20 years time to someone on the other side of the world managing to build on it and create something wonderful, private profit-driven companies tend to have little to no interest in that sort of thing. The time-frames are too long, the need for global collaboration too big (and thus the need for engagement outside the company meaning the company can't monopolize the discoveries), and the possible future gains too vague, for private companies to generally be much interested. That is why governments have always been and continue to be by far and away the primary funders of scientific research."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postmaybe a very small percentage. And they negotiated those packages which they can do because of Capitalism. It's great. But if they drag the company under I am pretty sure they don't get squat, because that would be part of the contract too, plus if the company goes bust, there isn't any money to give them. What you should be actually worried about is when the GOVERNMENT bails out these failing companies and gives them money to save them even when the market says they should go under. Like Obama and the banks.
I don't have any issues with government bailouts if in exchange the business enters into conservatorship. My real issue was with the lack of consequences for those involved.
it is not incidental benefits. It is built into the system. People who work hard and innovate and produce things people want, do better and make more money. And tell me, why if socialism "has benefits intentionally" does it fail everywhere it has been tried, and everyone end up poor?
You don't see caravans of immigrants trying to sneak into Venezuela or Cuba do you? If capitalism is so bad, why is the USA one of the richest countries in the world and everyone is trying to get in?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD94UUTvMts
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense PM, nothing has done more to raise the general standard of living than free markets. Just about every convenience you enjoy, medical and technological advances, longer life, are largely do to free markets. Socialism, even socialism light must leach its life off the capitalistic host.
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My family escaped socialism, now my fellow Democrats think we should move the party in its direction
Democratic socialism is a lot like the system my family fled, except its proponents promise to be nicer when seizing your business.The popularity of 'democratic socialism'https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1106307002/
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostAlthough I would say that just because an innovation occurs within a system doesn't necessarily mean the system caused the innovation, I don't otherwise disagree that capitalism has benefits. The issue is that capitalism also has flaws, and those flaws can be corrected through methods that are called socialist.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]33736[/ATTACH]The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]33736[/ATTACH]"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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