What is Socialism?

[Starlight]

The government owning the means of production is probably THE key characteristic of a socialist government, Star.

You're telling a socialist what socialism is. And you're getting it very badly wrong. Why do you post in this thread when you don't even have the least clue about the basics of socialism?

[Cow Poke]

You're telling a socialist what socialism is.

Socialists are notoriously horribly bad at understanding socialism, or they wouldn't be one.

[Christianbookworm]

Could socialism work if there were infinite resources and no sin? And a infallible means of ensuring everyone gets their needs met?

[KingsGambit]

Could socialism work if there were infinite resources and no sin? And a infallible means of ensuring everyone gets their needs met?

Then there would be no need for socialism.

[Christianbookworm]

Then there would be no need for socialism.

Is the New Earth a post scarcity society?

[Starlight]

Could socialism work if there were infinite resources and no sin? And a infallible means of ensuring everyone gets their needs met?

Depends on what it is you think socialism is about, or trying to achieve. Apparently there are some people in this thread with very strange ideas of socialism.

I, personally, wouldn't have said your first two things - "infinite resources and no sin" - have anything at all to do with socialism. It's like asking if people would be better at math if the sky was red rather than blue.

With regard to "And a infallible means of ensuring everyone gets their needs met?"... if everyone is getting their needs met, it doesn't seem to me like you would need/want capitalism, socialism, or any other economic system, because general motivation for economic systems in general seems to be to try and meet unmet needs.

Although, I'm curious as to whether Sparko thinks God is capable of running a socialist government that works well...?

[lilpixieofterror]

You're telling a socialist what socialism is. And you're getting it very badly wrong. Why do you post in this thread when you don't even have the least clue about the basics of socialism?

[Roy]

Depends on what it is you think socialism is about, or trying to achieve. Apparently there are some people in this thread with very strange ideas of socialism.

Some of them even think that if a country's government claims it is a socialist democracy then it must actually be a socialist democracy.

[Roy]

And the USA being the greatest power on earth didn't come from an optimal mix of socialism. It came from the freedom associated with capitalism, and being able to be in control of your own life, free to succeed or fail on your own merits.

Is that what they teach in US schools?

That the US became powerful solely because of capitalist freedom, and not because of a complex set of interacting factors including but not limited to
- it inherited the technological advances of western Europe
- it invaded, conquered and absorbed many previously independent but less technologically advanced nations
- it thus acquired massive undepleted natural resources
- it forcefully imported and exploited labour from other countries
- it didn't have its economy nor its infrastructure nor its population devastated during either WWI or WWII
- it didn't disband its empire and offer independence to territories and possessions when the European powers did
- it spends far more on military forces than any other country.

What a joke.

[Sparko]

You're telling a socialist what socialism is. And you're getting it very badly wrong.

You are not a socialist, you are a socialist fanboy. If you were a socialist, you should move to a socialist country, like Cuba or Venezuela. bye.

Socialism claims the means of production is owned by the people, but owners are in actuality the Government who the people "elected" to control the means of production for them. So in Venezuela, the people elected Maduro to "represent" their interests. The result is that the state owns the means of production and the people starve. So in fact the government owns the means of production.

Why do you post in this thread when you don't even have the least clue about the basics of socialism?

Because it's MY thread. Maybe you should leave if you don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[lilpixieofterror]

Is that what they teach in US schools?

That the US became powerful solely because of capitalist freedom, and not because of a complex set of interacting factors including but not limited to
- it inherited the technological advances of western Europe
- it invaded, conquered and absorbed many previously independent but less technologically advanced nations
- it thus acquired massive undepleted natural resources
- it forcefully imported and exploited labour from other countries
- it didn't have its economy nor its infrastructure nor its population devastated during either WWI or WWII
- it didn't disband its empire and offer independence to territories and possessions when the European powers did
- it spends far more on military forces than any other country.

What a joke.

[Sparko]

Depends on what it is you think socialism is about, or trying to achieve. Apparently there are some people in this thread with very strange ideas of socialism.

I, personally, wouldn't have said your first two things - "infinite resources and no sin" - have anything at all to do with socialism. It's like asking if people would be better at math if the sky was red rather than blue.

With regard to "And a infallible means of ensuring everyone gets their needs met?"... if everyone is getting their needs met, it doesn't seem to me like you would need/want capitalism, socialism, or any other economic system, because general motivation for economic systems in general seems to be to try and meet unmet needs.

Although, I'm curious as to whether Sparko thinks God is capable of running a socialist government that works well...?

God has a kingdom.

[Roy]

So the US forced Europeans to come to our country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries?

Learn to read, troll. I neither said nor implied any such thing

[Sparko]

Watch this video from 30 years ago. Good explanation about the horrors of socialism, and how this generation seems to be brainwashed into thinking socialism is actually a good idea.

[Sparko]

Learn to read, troll. I neither said nor implied any such thing

If you and LPOT are going to go at each other again, don't do it in this thread. I ask both of you to avoid each other or leave the thread. Thanks.