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Originally posted by oxmixmudd
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I have never seen anyone at a gun store or a gun show doing any "wink,wink,nudge,nudge" in selling firearms. Firearms dealers take their federal firearms license very seriously. Background checks and all.
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It is up to law enforcement and the law makers to enforce the laws.
I have never seen anyone at a gun store or a gun show doing any "wink,wink,nudge,nudge" in selling firearms. Firearms dealers take their federal firearms license very seriously. Background checks and all.
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I'm not saying that there aren't gun shows that will allow you to buy a gun without a background check. I CAN say that I've never been to one of those gun shows...and I've been to several. All the ones I went to had booths with private sellers as well as gun shops/gun dealers. If you wanted to buy a gun, you had to go up front to the background check table and get checked. You took the form that stated you passed back to the person selling and presented it, they stamped it and it allowed you out of the door with the gun. IDK if that's a state requirement or local one but it's not uncommon around here...Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
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Why would a gun dealer risk his business as well as jail time on maybe making a few thousand dollars? Most businesses that have those hard to obtain licenses tend to guard them pretty zealously and take as little risk as possible to not lose them.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Interesting.Originally posted by Sparko View Post
(Query/accusation): instead of trying to creat new gun laws,focus on fixing lax gun law enfocement.
(Observation): lax enforcement should be the concern of the gun lobby because if the current laws are sufficient then they have the most to lose by harsher, stiffer laws.
(Observation) pushback againat stricter enforcement tends to come from gun enthusiasts
(Couter claim) hey, we don't see any sign of lax enforcement.
So which is it? We have lax enforcement or the current laws are insufficient. If there is not lax enforcement then clearly the current laws are insufficient and focusing on stricter enforcement is unlikely to have any meaningful effect.
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This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Name a law that would have prevented the lastest 5 mass shootings.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Interesting how during Democratic Administration prosecutions for violations of gun control laws take a nose dive while calls for new laws increase. One could reasonably believe that liberals are not interested in actually enforcing the laws that they want but instead merely want new tougher laws placed on the books.
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Who says that legal gun owners are the problem in the first place?Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
And I was just answering your accusations about cheating gun buyers and sellers. There are a lot more gun laws than just the ones you were complaining about. There are laws that limit the type of guns you can buy, how large the magazines can be, who can own guns, where you can have guns, where you can carry guns, etc. Those laws don't seem to stop people from killing other people. And those laws enforcement are upon the legal and police to enforce.
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Rabbit trail pix. The correct path is to ask what changes in gun policy or law could be expected to significantly reduce the likely hood of those shootings.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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So sorry pix. I keep forgetting you are incapable of parsing subtleties. My point is your question is tuatological. No law can prevent a person from breaking that same law, or from finding some way around it. So to ask what law would prevent a mass shooting or some specific set of mass shootings is about as intelligent as asking what law could prevent divorce, or premarital sex, or shoplifting. The question that has to be asked is what laws or policies can reduce events like the ones we are seeing all too often these days. And once you enter the realm of a sane question you enter the realm of possible answers.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 11-19-2018, 04:50 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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What I said, in reality:Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post So sorry pix. I keep forgetting you are incapable of parsing subtleties. My point is your question is tuatological. No law can prevent a person from breaking that same law. So to ask what law would prevent a mass shooting or some specific set of mass shootings is about as intelligent as asking what law could prevent divorce, or premarital sex, or shoplifting. The question that has to be asked is what laws or policies can reduce events like the ones we are seeing all too often these days. And once you enter the realm of a sane question you enter the realm of possible answers.
Jim
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Seatbelt laws do not prevent automobile fatalities, but they do reduce them.
Mandated airbags do not prevent automobile fatalities, but they do reduce them.
Drunk driving laws do not prevent drunk driving tragedies, but they do reduce them.
Anti-discrimination laws don't prevent discrimination, but they do reduce the number if incidents.
Anti-racketeering laws do not prevent money laundering, but they do help reduce the number of instances
Anti-theft laws do not prevent theft, but they do help reduce the number of incidences of theft.
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You asked a question that is of no relevance to the discussion, except in the minds of the ignorant. No law can with 100% effectiveness prevent a crime. And I am not personally for stricter gun laws because I am under the ignorant delusion it will stop all mass shootings.
The problem we are dealing with in the mass shootings is that it is just too easy for people who are not in control of their emotions, faculties (or both) to get hold of and use a gun to commit horrible acts. While no law can with 100% effectiveness stop such actions, what laws can do is make it harder for such a person to get such a weapon, or retain it well after it is known they are no longer capable of responsible ownership of such a weapon. There are laws that can help make a difference. And that is where the discussion can have meaning. What are those laws. What are their merits. what are their weaknesses.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostLast edited by lilpixieofterror; 11-19-2018, 05:21 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Ah - see. Reduce mass shootings. Different question. How to reduce mass shootings.
Well, actually that is relatively simple. Countries with reduced access or very limited public access to guns have very few mass shooting events. So one way would be to severely limit access to guns.
So what you really want to know is not what sorts of laws could reduce the number of mass shootings, but what sorts of laws could reduce the number of mass shootings without severely impacting ease of access to guns or requiring a modification or repeal of the 2nd amendment.
And there is where it gets difficult isn't it. What data is there that could show what might work when every effort to try to reduce the number of mass shootings by changing the laws is thwarted by the gun lobbies?
Nevertheless, some have made good efforts at doing just that. The NYT has a decent article that plots gun laws against public support and potential effectiveness as ranked by experts in criminology, public health, and law that have studied the issue in depth:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ould-help.html
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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As has been stated many times, the goal of gun control laws is not safety it is more government control period.Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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