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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNot a rumorThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNot that I don't trust you, but citation, please?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostInstead of asking for a citation how about you just use your own brain. You don't send 15 members of a Saudi hit squad, one a doctor with a bone saw, and lay in wait for the target you know is coming unless you intend to murder and chop him up. This is just you defending Trump again, defending him the same way he defends himself, by acting stupid.
I had already said....
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLet me be clear for the Olympic-class conclusion jumpers here. I'm not buying the stories coming out of SaudiLand.
Hence, my statement above - Habeas corpus - which, from Latin, literally means "that you have the body" -- if he was killed in a fist fight, and not chopped up in little pieces, somebody should be able to produce the body.
I know better than to expect an actual citation from you, because all you have is rank jackassery and hateful rhetoric.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou really need to stop the lying, Jim.
I had already said....
I was simply asking Shuny for an actual citation to see if he had more than just rumors.
I know better than to expect an actual citation from you, because all you have is rank jackassery and hateful rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNot that I don't trust you, but citation, please?
"Turkish media have named 15 Saudi nationals who Turkish officials suspect were involved in the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist critical of the government who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in the city of Istanbul on 2 October.
Most of the men flew into Istanbul on two private jets hours before Mr Khashoggi arrived at the consulate to collect some routine paperwork, and flew back to Riyadh later in the day on the same jets..."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45906396
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What are the sources claiming the "15 trained assassins"?
What are the sources claiming "doctor" and "bone saw"? And was that doctor named "Krieger"?
What are the sources claiming the victim was "chopped up" and possibly disseminated?
Last I'd heard, all of the info was coming from two untrustworthy sources: Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Are there any independent sources with independent confirmation of the allegations?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's considerably more than just a rumour as you imply elsewhere,
there is strong circumstantial evidence and very likely more to come.
And yes, the body (or what's left of it), needs to be produced.
"Turkish media have named 15 Saudi nationals who Turkish officials suspect were involved in the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist critical of the government who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in the city of Istanbul on 2 October.
Most of the men flew into Istanbul on two private jets hours before Mr Khashoggi arrived at the consulate to collect some routine paperwork, and flew back to Riyadh later in the day on the same jets..."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45906396The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLiar - I am not implying it's a rumor - I'm asking for proof that it isn't.Let me type this really slowly, Tass.... I have already made it clear (to anybody with half a brain) that I am quite suspicious of the "he got in a fight" claim, as evidenced by my call to "produce the body".
Everybody except Trump (and his mindless defenders) is without doubt that Saudi position is an outright lie.
Which is what I called for! You ARE aware of the meaning of the Latin phrase I posted some time back, yes?
While that's still not "proof", why couldn't you have posted the cite, as asked for,
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis means you accept it as at least a rumour.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAre you denying that there is considerable circumstantial evidence re the murder of Khashoggi and every indication of more to come?
Are you REALLY that DAFT? I don't trust anything the Saudis say on this, and I have CLEARLY said they need to "produce the body" if they're going to expect anybody to believe he wasn't hacked up into pieces.
I don't trust the SAUDIS any more than I trust anything you say, Tass.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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What would convince you that he was murdered? At the moment I believe that the Saudi Government has blamed it on rebels for example, but naturally this changes as pressure is applied to their government by the west.
If it was shown that Saudi had him killed, what do you think the response by the west should be? Your country and mine make a lot of money selling weapons to them. Should we cancel the contracts? Morally it would be about time, but is one man worth the hit to profit?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAre you REALLY that DAFT? I don't trust anything the Saudis say on this, and I have CLEARLY said they need to "produce the body" if they're going to expect anybody to believe he wasn't hacked up into pieces.
I don't trust the SAUDIS any more than I trust anything you say, Tass.Last edited by JimL; 10-22-2018, 07:48 AM.
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