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Originally posted by Sparko View Post70% of Australians are religious. I think you are jumping the gun.
What people may write on the Census Form is not borne out by regular church attendance...churches are virtually empty on Sundays and many are being sold off.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...30f0097eae8cd0
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnd the Mike Flynn kidnapping for money plot?? Just when you think the Trump administration has reached bottom, it goes even lower.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI hear today that Trump wants to find a way to give US based cleric Fethullah Gulen to Erdogan so that Erdogan will stop banging on about Khashoggi and embarrassing the murderous MbS. This is how tyrants cooperate.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Thanks for providing your source.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Tassman View Posthttp://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]
What people may write on the Census Form is not borne out by regular church attendance...churches are virtually empty on Sundays and many are being sold off.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...30f0097eae8cd0
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostStill, 70% claiming to be religious is nothing close to being "irrelevant" as you claimed.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostUh it's kind of irrelevant, being that most christians are christian in name only and if you ask they either don't know, or don't believe, half of what's in the bible.
The way the survey was worded it asked if they were religious or not. Not if they were Christian or not. 70% said they were religious. Which means they believe in God, whether they go to church or not. 50+% identified as Christian. There are other religions than Christianity. Tassy was claiming that religion is irrelevant in Australia. 70% says he is wrong.
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You will hear it said that he is innocent until proven guilty but if that person is actually guilty then it is not true that he is innocent unless proven otherwise. What is really meant is that during a trial, the burden of proof in on the prosecution and not on the accused to prove his innocence. There is no presumption of innocence before a trial because no one then would be indicted.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostYou will hear it said that he is innocent until proven guilty but if that person is actually guilty then it is not true that he is innocent unless proven otherwise.
What is really meant is that during a trial, the burden of proof in on the prosecution and not on the accused to prove his innocence.
There is no presumption of innocence before a trial because no one then would be indicted.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut you don't know that he's guilty until there's a trial. You're getting the apples before the oranges.
No, that's not true -- there has to be a foundation for the accusation, commonly referred to as "probable cause". The person is not arrested because he is guilty - he's arrested because it is SUSPECTED that he is guilty.Last edited by firstfloor; 11-20-2018, 02:29 AM.
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Knowledge of guilt by whom? The actor? His legal representative? The constabulary? And there's the fact that a man can look awfully guilty, and in fact be innocent.
It just means that a person has performed some action or caused an event that is a criminal offence.
Ignorance of the law and the absence of witnesses makes no difference.
If there is a foundation for an accusation then the person is not presumed to be innocent.
He might be innocent but he does not get to trial unless there is evidence against him.
That part actually made me laugh.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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