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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'm not seeing "such a [large] number of criminal associates" - I see a couple people who panicked and lied to the FBI, and a couple people convicted of fiscal impropriety, and a bunch of Russians who aren't actual associates. It seems that those who broke financial laws did so surreptitiously; not sure Trump is culpable for stuff other people tried to hide. Cynical me is of the opinion that pretty much any wealthy business man could be found to have violated financial laws if one looks closely enough, and targets of investigation have been chosen mostly for their association with Trump.
No idea if you're aiming at me with the last bit, but I've stated several times that Trump needs to reign in his Twitter account, and be much more careful about what he says. I'm also not at all happy with his crude womanizing past, but he seems to be behaving these days.
Originally posted by rogue06 View Postconvicted of 18 felonies and died in prison. Before his death he turned on Clinton who he previously staunchly defended[1]
Susan McDougal served 18 months for refusing to answer questions for a grand jury, on whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial and immediately afterwards began a two year sentence for four counts of fraud and conspiracy relating to the Whitewater scandal but was later pardoned by Bill Clinton (a reward for keeping her mouth shut?).
Jim Guy Tucker was convicted of one count of conspiracy and one count of mail fraud and forced to resign as Governor. He was given a lenient sentence of four years' probation and house detention because of his poor health (a month after his conviction he received a liver transplant).
And then there was Hillary's law partner Webster Hubbell, who Bill appointed Associate Attorney General, who pled guilty to one count of wire fraud and one count of tax fraud and sentenced to 21 months. Later he entered a plea bargain agreement where he pled guilty to one charge of failing to disclose a potential conflict of interest in exchange for having all charges dropped against his his wife, his lawyer, his accountant and got probation.
What makes Hubbell especially interesting is what he said while in prison during a phone call to his wife (all calls from prisoners are recorded)
"So I need to roll over one more time."
And just for giggles, here is a list of 40 Clinton associates who were convicted of various crimes
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And of course there were also those associated with all of the money funneled from China to the Clinton-Gore campaign through Buddhist monasteries and other means -- the one where FBI agents came forward at the time (unheard of back then) to publicly complain that Clinton's DoJ interfered with the investigation and folks like "Charlie" Trie, John Huang, James Riady, and Maria Hsia were convicted of various crimes.
This isn't to excuse having so many associates with shady behavior but rather to note that it isn't anything new, again especially if the president is being heavily investigated.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, to protect us from activist judges.Originally posted by Mountain ManIf by "advance conservative values" you mean uphold the law and the Constitution and not attempt to legislate from the bench then absolutely."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostYou say potayto, I say potahto. You guys can hold your noses and vote him all you want, but the key point was ideology over integrity. Trump's no better than Bill Clinton.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBill Clinton wasn't running. Hillary was."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThe point of comparison was slick Willy's predatory sexuality and shameful behavior that liberals overlooked or out-right defended.
Trump is no choir boy, but there is a BIG difference between him and Slick WillySome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThe point of comparison was slick Willy's predatory sexuality and shameful behavior that liberals overlooked or out-right defended.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThere is no evidence that Trump is a sexual predator. Trump had extramarital affairs with consenting partners. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, committed rape. And please don't insult our intelligence by trying to create a moral equivalence between what Trump merely said on the infamous Access Hollywood recording, and what Clinton actually did.
Trump is no choir boy, but there is a BIG difference between him and Slick Willy
Broaddrick is the one accusing him of rape.
So, if we combine those simple facts with the continued and unabated refrain that no accusations against Trump have been proven, it is complete hypocrisy to then change the standards when applying them to someone you dislike and who is a Democrat. Further, if you are to expect those same standards to apply to Kavanaugh, you would best limit yourself to what has been proven when attacking those whose politics you disagree with.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAh, the "guilt by association" fallacy.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostTrump was going to clean the swamp remember guys, he was going to hire all the best people, remember. Trump is the king of the swamp and he filled it with a bunch of crooks which all of a sudden doesn't seem to bother you clowns any more. Now, stop complaining about the swamp that is our government since the swamp is a reflection of you.
Well played.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostWhile I am no fan of Bill Clinton, you say here he 'commited' rape, which was never proven. In fact:
Also, don't think I didn't notice how you carefully cut out the part stating that this is what Clinton claims. The women themselves tell quite a different story.
Here's from a more reputable source:
The Washington Post story referenced above:
So, yeah, these accusations have more teeth than some woman claiming that Trump did the impossible by raising the armrest in a first class cabin to grope her (armrests in first class cabins are immovable), or another woman claiming that Trump groped her at a concert that never happened. And curiously, these women only surfaced when Trump was about to win the election and then immediately disappeared afterwards, never to be heard from again. Clinton, on the other hand, has been dogged by credible accusations of sexual assault pretty much his entire political career.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWikipedia? Seriously?
Also, don't think I didn't notice how you carefully cut out the part stating that this is what Clinton claims. The women themselves tell quite a different story.
Here's from a more reputable source:
The Washington Post story referenced above:
So, yeah, these accusations have more teeth than some woman claiming that Trump did the impossible by raising the armrest in a first class cabin to grope her (armrests in first class cabins are immovable), or another woman claiming that Trump groped her at a concert that never happened. And curiously, these women only surfaced when Trump was about to win the election and then immediately disappeared afterwards, never to be heard from again. Clinton, on the other hand, has been dogged by credible accusations of sexual assault pretty much his entire political career.
As I said, I am no fan of Clinton - he is as much a cad in this area as anyone.
However, while I realize you will defend Trump till his dying breath, and that your absolute hatred of all things non-Republican knows no real bounds, nevertheless, nothing in your response says anything contrary to or of any value in rebuttal against my comment. In summary, it is simply hypocritical to hold two different standards of proof for nefarious goings on. One very loose and hyper-skeptical of any accusers, which you apply to Republicans, and one very strict and naively trustful of the accusers, which you apply to Democrats.
Jim
*And I do always appreciate additional information on any topic, regardless the source - so thanks for that element of your post.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 09-18-2018, 08:36 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostYou never disappoint MM.
While I realize you will defend Trump till his dying breath, and that your absolute hatred of all things non-Republican knows no real bounds, nevertheless, nothing in your response says anything contrary to or of any value in rebuttal against my comment. In summary, it is simply hypocritical to hold two different standards of proof for nefarious goings on. One very loose and hyper-skeptical of any accusers, which you apply to Republicans, and one very strict and naively trustful of the accusers, which you apply to Democrats.
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI desperately searched your post for any kind of substance worth engaging, but I came up empty. Sorry.
But go back, you responded too soon. I added a comment line thanking you for the additional info .
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostWell of course. Nothing I said supports a Republican or praises you directly. I would not expect you to find such a post of any substance given your fanatical support of the same.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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