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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe need for "couples counselling may well have been triggered by the traumatic events of her attempted rape by Kavanaugh. In fact it is very probable. This is common component of chronic post traumatic stress syndrome.
In fact, this is a bit odd....
In explaining why I wanted a second front door, I began to describe the assault in detail. I recall saying that the boy who assaulted me could someday be on the U.S. Supreme Court, and spoke a bit about his background at an elitist all-boys school in Bethesda, Maryland. My husband recalls that I named my attacker as Brett Kavanaugh.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe've finally backed down to "for the most part"?
He knows that the FBI would NOT "clear his name"
they don't provide conclusions
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe FBI investigation is an opportunity to collaborate the accusations or prove them unfounded. What's the problem?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe've finally backed down to "for the most part"?
Professor Ford: True beyond reasonable doubt. I would convict if I were a jurist in a criminal case.
Deborah Ramirez: True on a balance of probability standard. I would award the case to her if it were a civil suite.
Julie Swetnick: Credible but needs investigation and clarification before a judgement could be made.
There have been a couple of other bizarre and non-credible allegations reported such as beating up Kavanaugh on a boat after a rape etc that have either been retracted or just widely ignored as silly."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAlso, from the hearing, she had said...
According to TheGatewayPundit, the door she describes had actually been installed at least by 2011 - prior to this "couples counseling" session where she was insisting that a second front door be installed.
Jim
*it is clear they are magnifiers, they enlarge the eyes and sockets behind them. Though if they are prescription and only needed for reading, it is possible only the lower half of the lens magnifies and the top half could be clear.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 09-29-2018, 09:23 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo "back-down"...you really are desperate aren't you.
Ford's allegations were totally credible, we still haven't heard testimony re the others.
Or he knows he could be guilty. He is no doubt sufficiently self-aware to realise that an an attempted rape could have occurred whilst in a blackout resulting from one of his many alcoholic binges. Several have testified he becomes belligerent and aggressive when drunk.
He still looks like an alcoholic with his sweaty face and rheumy eyes.
They provide 'facts', which are lacking at this stage.
Here's that bastion of conservative extremism, NPR.... I bolded a part just for you.
But the FBI will not give its own determination about the truthfulness of what witnesses say
There will be no "he's innocent" or "he's guilty" -- there will be a pile of FD-302s over which the partisan bickering will begin anew, and will probably last for days, if not weeks or months.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostUnfortunately media reports today are saying the White House is tying the FBI's hands on this one. It's not "you have 7 days to investigate these claims FBI, go do it." It's a "we, the White House, will be the arbiters of exactly who you, the FBI, are allowed to talk to, you are not allowed to go seeking any corroborating evidence, you may interview ONLY the people we list and you can just write down what they tell you."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostShrug your shoulders some more. This is idiot stuff.
Any reason you neglected to answer these questions?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNot being combative, but asking some questions...
A) Can you please provide the source that shows that she sought help for THIS event 5 years ago? All other sources seem to indicate it was "relationship counseling"*.
2) We don't know that she told her husband - we just know that he said that after the fact.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThank you, sir, for that thoughtful and respectful response.
Any reason you neglected to answer these questions?
The counselor's NOTES from the session 5 years prior describe the discussion of the assault.
Which to maintain the delusion this is all some lying plot to create the present day circus, one now has to claim the counselor was in cahoots with Ford and created fake notes.
It gets absurd really fast to try to take the facts as they are and map them into 'she's lying'.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-29-2018, 09:33 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI meant YOU no disrespect. I did mean to disrespect whoever is writing the drivel you quoted.
The counselor's NOTES from the session 5 years prior describe the discussion of the assault.
Are you going to now claim the counselor was in cahoots with Ford and created fake notes?
Jim
It is not pleasant to watch.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhich to maintain the delusion this is all some lying plot to create the present day circus, one now has to claim the counselor was in cahoots with Ford and created fake notes.
just, wow
It gets absurd really fast to try to take the facts as they are and map them into 'she's lying'.
Jim
Like I said... I think I give up trying to talk to you.
(you appear to have added some after I had already replied, so I thought I'd respond, but I'm sure it's just a waste of my time and yours)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think I'm going to give up trying to reason with you, Jim. I'm being very respectful to you, and you're.... I think you have totally abandoned reason and gone completely with emotion. You have already come to your conclusion, and you will see everything in that light.
It is not pleasant to watch.
You asked why we should believe that is what was said in the counselors session. I answered.
The conversation was recorded by the counselor and those notes have been made public, I assume to show that the counseling session was real and to allow people that doubt her testimony to have absolutely clear and irrefutable evidence she did in fact discuss the event 5 years prior in a counseling session. This is not something she made up recently.
Can you explain what is irrational about seeing irrefutable evidence she sought help dealing with the trauma of the event as substantive proof this was a real event in this woman's life and not something she made up when she learned Kavanaugh had been nominated to the SC?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI have no idea why you think that.
You asked why we should believe that is what was said in the counselors session. I answered.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow - never claimed that, don't believe that....
just, wow
I think I asked you a reasonable question, and it seems to have done nothing but trigger this outburst of emotion.
Like I said... I think I give up trying to talk to you.
I am surprised at your inability to follow simple logic, and your tendency to take things I say as personal attacks on you. That is the only emotion present in my response.
The scenario I describe is a logical consequence of believing the counseling session was not real CP. I didn't say you said that. I'm pointing out why it is absurd to think the counseling session was fake. And the reason I'm pointing that out is that if the counseling session is not fake, then it is irrefutable proof the memory of the event itself was something real and that had been with her and troubling her for a long time.
The only possible question is did she get the identity of the attacker correct. But it is also clear from the husband's testimony she has believed the attacker was Kavanaugh for quite some time and that it is also quite real that her motivation to bring this up now is that she believes this is what Kavanaugh did to her and that if he did that, the people voting to approve him need to know about it.
(you appear to have added some after I had already replied, so I thought I'd respond, but I'm sure it's just a waste of my time and yours)
I don't know why that is happening, but one common cause would be you've taken personal offense at something I've said and that is clouding your attempts to read my replies to you and causing you to see hostility to you personally when there is none.
And another cause could be I'm still just not expressing myself clearly. I'll see what I can do about that but at this point clearly there are no guarantees.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-29-2018, 10:13 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, sir. That is not what I asked. But it no longer matters.
You said:
Can you please provide the source that shows that she sought help for THIS event 5 years ago? All other sources seem to indicate it was "relationship counseling"*.
I summarized what you said as:
You asked why we should believe that is what was said in the counselors session.
The very clear implication is that you are asking for evidence this topic was discussed in that session. And the bolded part of the quote of your question is casting doubt on whether it was actually discussed in that session (or sessions), which goes directly to why we should believe this is what was said in that session.
And the answer to your question and my summary of its logical implications is the same. The counselors notes. I very much did answer the question you asked, as you asked it, and all the implications of it as you asked it.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-29-2018, 10:03 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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