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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow - I hadn't heard THAT nutter question before.Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou have evidence she wasn't sexually assaulted?
On balance of probability, given Dr Ford's credible testimony (even acknowledged as such by Trump at the time), combined with Kavanaugh's substantive reputation among contemporary's as an aggressive, belligerent drunk, very likely prone to the memory blackouts commonplace among such people, then is is a reasonable assumption that Kavanaugh is guilty as charged. Unfortunately, the additional corroborative evidence required to reinforce this probability was deliberately curtained by the WH's limitations placed upon the FBI investigation. The WH and Senate were determined to get their man appointed come what may.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostOverall, a good summary of why many believe the most likely scenario is Ford was assaulted by Kavanaugh with the possibility Kavanaugh doesn't remembEr the event.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd we should care what this two bit libertarian writer for a conservative rag thinks, why?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostTry reading that again, Jim, this time for understanding. I suggest focusing on the second paragraph.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRead her Bio, she's a Liberterian and she's writing for a British conservative Magazine.
Besides, I don't care if she's a democrat or not, why should we care what she thinks about Dr Fords emotional state.womenabused women had an inherent right, as survivors, to be listened to, Jim. Is that not true?
Lionel, (she gave herself a mans name) because she thought a mans name suited her better than her given womans name,
is not a therapist,
and all women aren't the same, people deal with traumatic situations differently. Some are effected some are not, some need therapy, some don't.
But whether it was as traumatic an event for Dr. Ford as she testified, or not, is not the point,
the point is that it is more likely than not that the event took place
and that Kavanaugh, even if there were not enough evidence for that, lied under oath to Congress about himself, about his activities during his stint in the Bush administration and about the meaning of the year book entries which also support Dr. Fords testimony concerning Kavanaughs character in his high school and college days. But the main thing is that he, a supreme court nominee, showed himself to be a partisan, a man of uncontrolled temper, and most of all, was willing to lie under oath to Congress. That, his lying under oath, is what there is evidence for, and that is what's disqualifying for a seat on the highest court in the land!Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOf course it doesn't at all explain why Ford's own recollection is all over the map, or why her own named witnesses refuted her accusations.
Before that, your own inaccurate testimony should be noted: other witnesses did not refute (offer contrary testimony) her, they simply could not corroborate her testimony.
The difference between refutation and corroboration is significant MM and the two should not be confused.
1) memory loss that is associated with trauma tends to lose detail regarding ancillary elements of the event and tends to be crystal clear on the critical elements of the event
2) The event was only significant and traumatic for her. For other attendees is was just another in an apparently long string of party events with Kavanaugh et al. That others would not remember helpful details, given she was trapped in a room and then snuck out, it consistent with the events as described.
3) other witnesses with pertinent information were ignored due to white house constraints on the FBI investigation.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 10-12-2018, 10:45 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostTry reading that again, Jim, this time for understanding. I suggest focusing on the second paragraph.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhy does that mean her view can be summarily dismissed?
I thoughtwomenabused women had an inherent right, as survivors, to be listened to, Jim. Is that not true?
How is this relevant?
Or this? Do only survivors who are therapists have a right to be heard?
I agree.
That is pretty much the point of the article, Jim.
Based on what evidence, Jim?
The "evidence" for Kavanaugh lying is even thinner than Ford's allegations, Jim. You think he should be automatically disqualified if he's partisan? That sword cuts both ways, Jim. And if you think that was uncontrolled temper, you've never seen the real thing.
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post1) memory loss that is associated with trauma tends to lose detail regarding ancillary elements of the event and tends to be crystal clear on the critical elements of the event
And then there's the fact that she told her therapist that there were 7 attendees including herself, and that she was assaulted by 4 guys, but later reduced the number of attendees and attackers to 5 and 2 respectively. How could she have possibly gotten the number of attackers confused when she claimed in her sworn testimony that she will never forget the details? Seems her memory of critical elements is not so "crystal clear" after all. And, yes, I'm aware of the excuse that her therapist's notes are unreliable on this point, but then that forces us to presume they're unreliable on every point and not just on the points that refute Ford's specious accusation (which would be the fallacy of special pleading).
Add to that all the other inconsistencies in her narrative (when and why a second door was installed in her home; her suspiciously selective fear of flying; and so on), and it all adds up to an accuser without credibility.
Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post2) The event was only significant and traumatic for her. For other attendees is was just another in an apparently long string of party events with Kavanaugh et al. That others would not remember helpful details, given she was trapped in a room and then snuck out, it consistent with the events as described.
Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post3) other witnesses with pertinent information were ignored due to white house constraints on the FBI investigation.
Based on the facts, I think it's safe to say that Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is innocent, and Ford is a bald-faced liar.
And that's the last I have to say on the subject.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostForget it OBP JimL like the rest of his ilk has his fingers stuck in his ears he doesn't want the Truth he want The false narrative the left has tried to foist on America.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLike her crystal clear recall of only having a single beer while forgetting critical details like exactly how old she was, exactly when the party took place, exactly where it took place, or exactly how she got home? As far as I know, she never even explained why she happened to be wearing a bathing suit under her clothes. Did the house have a pool? Had they been swimming? Were they planning to swim? It's a curious unexplained detail, isn't it?
And then there's the fact that she told her therapist that there were 7 attendees including herself, and that she was assaulted by 4 guys, but later reduced the number of attendees and attackers to 5 and 2 respectively. How could she have possibly gotten the number of attackers confused when she claimed in her sworn testimony that she will never forget the details? Seems her memory of critical elements is not so "crystal clear" after all. And, yes, I'm aware of the excuse that her therapist's notes are unreliable on this point, but then that forces us to presume they're unreliable on every point and not just on the points that refute Ford's specious accusation (which would be the fallacy of special pleading).
Add to that all the other inconsistencies in her narrative (when and why a second door was installed in her home; her suspiciously selective fear of flying; and so on), and it all adds up to an accuser without credibility.
Yep, we've heard that excuse, too, but surely Leland Keyser, Ford's lifelong friend, would have remembered attending a party where a panicked Ford ran past her and out the front door, never to return (she didn't "sneak out" like you falsely claim, and based on Ford's various statements, it would have been impossible for her to leave the house without everybody else seeing her), yet Keyser doesn't remember attending any such party or even meeting Kavanaugh. Remember, this was a witness named by Ford herself! Of course that didn't stop Sketchy Ford from throwing her best friend under the bus with the cruel suggestion that Keyser was too focused on her own health problems to corroborate Ford's story.
Who could be more pertinent than contemporary witnesses named by Ford herself and who unanimously refuted her accusation?
Based on the facts, I think it's safe to say that Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is innocent, and Ford is a bald-faced liar.
And that's the last I have to say on the subject.
To be clear, this is not to pretend there are not ALSO various pundits whose only point is to smear Kavanaugh. There is plenty of that going on as well, you just don't use any of that data so I don't have any need to post corrections of it.
So it is good you are done, because you have reached a fixed point in your information processing where the data doesn't matter and the conclusions are unchangeable, and so discussion of the facts only serves as a venue for you to echo the same misinformation ad nauseum.
On to the next topic.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostForget it OBP JimL like the rest of his ilk has his fingers stuck in his ears he doesn't want the Truth he want The false narrative the left has tried to foist on America.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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