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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWell, the evidence presented and the circumstances were what they were.
Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostPredicting I would come down on the side of where the evidence led isn't rocket science. Good job.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah girls don't lie about sexual assault...
Five high school 'mean girls' targeted boy with false accusations of sexual assault, lawsuit claimshttps://www.foxnews.com/us/five-high...lawsuit-claimsThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo. First of all, this is not a court of law or a trial. It is more of a job interview.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWho on earth said "girls don't lie about sexual assault?" Of course there are instances of girls lying about being sexually assaulted. And there are instances of boys lying about being the sexual assaulter as well. AFAICT, the latter is overwhelmingly more common than the former. But the existence of both is what makes this a complex situation, since usually all we have is the word of the individual people involved as to what happened.
Well, the fact is, woman are just as likely as men are to make up lies about just about anything, including sexual assault. That is why we shouldn't believe any accuser without sufficient evidence. It is not about calling the accuser a liar or being a bigot, it is about being fair. It is about the presumption of innocence that is a foundation of all free societies.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe liberal chant has been "women don't lie about sexual assault! 98% of all sexual assault claims are true! You have to believe the woman or you are a misogynist bigot who hates women!"
Well, the fact is, woman are just as likely as men are to make up lies about just about anything, including sexual assault. That is why we shouldn't believe any accuser without sufficient evidence. It is not about calling the accuser a liar or being a bigot, it is about being fair. It is about the presumption of innocence that is a foundation of all free societies.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe liberal chant has been "women don't lie about sexual assault! 98% of all sexual assault claims are true! You have to believe the woman or you are a misogynist bigot who hates women!"
Well, the fact is, woman are just as likely as men are to make up lies about just about anything, including sexual assault. That is why we shouldn't believe any accuser without sufficient evidence. It is not about calling the accuser a liar or being a bigot, it is about being fair. It is about the presumption of innocence that is a foundation of all free societies.
It is changing. But like so many issues like this, the danger is an overreaction the other way. And I'm sure that fuels your fears. Nevertheless the right position is to move towards a position that is balanced and tries to provide rational and a fair response to both sides in a he said/she said situation. The burden of proof is always on the accuser in a legal scenario. It will always be hard for woman assaulted to get justice in the courts if she does not have rigorous proof. Likewise it will always be easier for a man to get away with assault in a legal case if he manages to do it in a setting and in a way that has no physical proof.
The real danger here is in cases like workplace accusations of assault where one is in a private setting with a woman. With the change in public perception and the knowledge that most of the time aggressive sexual actions are not egged on by women and it is men that are the most likely to go beyond the wishes of the woman, good men can clearly find themselves in a bad position. The moral there is to be very careful of 1 on 1 situations with the opposite sex. And for goodness sake don't play anywhere near the line when it comes to potentially offensive behavior or comments, especially at work.
For the man who would never push it, who would never take advantage of a woman, the change in the capacity for a woman to be believed in a he said/she said does increase the danger of such a person facing a great deal of stress and anguish over a false accusation if he gets on the bad side of the wrong woman. That is the price of a balanced approach to these situations. The number of people potentially facing injustice becomes more evenly balanced between the two sexes.
So be careful out there.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 10-10-2018, 02:29 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWill you liberals just drop this idiotic canard? It is not a job interview. they already had that. This was an investigation of a crime, heard by congress, regarding the highest court position in the country. It deserves the same jurisprudence and level of evidence as any court of law. This is basically the government accusing a citizen of a crime, the same as in a court.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostHmm. Potipher's wife comes to mind........caused all kinds of trouble for Joseph.
It doesn't change the fact that most of the time the person facing injustice in these situations is female.
The principles that we use to deal with he said/she said should be fair. They have been unbalanced for a very, very long time.
We just need ladies like you mossy to help make sure there is not excessive backlash the other way
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWill you liberals just drop this idiotic canard?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt is not a job interview. they already had that.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostThis was an investigation of a crime, heard by congress, regarding the highest court position in the country. It deserves the same jurisprudence and level of evidence as any court of law. This is basically the government accusing a citizen of a crime, the same as in a court.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe evidence, Bill, was largely he-said/she-said.
It does not support ANY of us calling anyone a "liar."
It could not have been a prediction based on evidence because the evidence is circumstantial and inconclusive
- it would only be a prediction based on your reliable slant to your existing bias. And I said "could have." Obviously I didn't because I never even asked myself "what would BTC say" before you actually said it.That's what
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe liberal chant has been "women don't lie about sexual assault! 98% of all sexual assault claims are true! You have to believe the woman or you are a misogynist bigot who hates women!"
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell, the fact is, woman are just as likely as men are to make up lies about just about anything, including sexual assault. That is why we shouldn't believe any accuser without sufficient evidence. It is not about calling the accuser a liar or being a bigot, it is about being fair. It is about the presumption of innocence that is a foundation of all free societies.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI have to wonder how many job interviews carpe is aware of where a series of interviewers accuse the prospective employee of being a rapist and such. It was an interview in the same way that an Inquisition interrogation was a social outing.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWhen the job interview is for a high profile, public position, it happens.
It is downright idiotic to call what happened a "job interview".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostBut the stats show such situations are rare. It is a nightmare scenario for most men, and because men think in sexual situations with something other than their brain, it does in effect give an unscrupulous woman an advantage.
It doesn't change the fact that most of the time the person facing injustice in these situations is female.
The principles that we use to deal with he said/she said should be fair. They have been unbalanced for a very, very long time.
We just need ladies like you mossy to help make sure there is not excessive backlash the other way
Jim
Again, due process and presumption of innocence. Does that mean that there will be some cases where a guilty person goes free? Yes, of course. Not only in sexual assaults but in any crime, theft, burglary, regular assault, murder, etc. But our country and most other free countries believe it is better for a guilty person to go free than an innocent person be convicted. Even though sometimes the latter still happens too.
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