DeSantis Uses Racist Dog Whistle...

[Mountain Man]

Likewise, "monkey it up" does not have a racial connotation, until you apply the phrase in reference to electing a black man.

As was originally pointed out by Charles, DeSantis did not use the phrase "in reference to electing a black man" just like Gillum's use of the phrase "confederation of states" was not a call to re-institute chalet slavery.

[Cow Poke]

You know, the practice of editing a person's response when you are replying with "QUOTE" tags is somewhat disingenuous, especially when you provide no indication that you have done so.

Bullcorn. The hyperlink is there for anybody who wishes to go back and read your whole comment.

For those following this thread, my response was more nuanced than "I have not." Those were merely the first three words.

And that's what I was asking - then you went wordy.

You're doing the same thing here that you're doing with "monkey" - you are CHOOSING to be offended.

[guacamole]

You're doing the same thing here that you're doing with "monkey" - you are CHOOSING to be offended.

Is anyone here actually choosing to be offended? I've seen people here say it's stupid to say.

[carpedm9587]

As was originally pointed out by Charles, DeSantis did not use the phrase "in reference to electing a black man" just like Gillum's use of the phrase "confederation of states" was not a call to re-institute chalet slavery.

His phrase was in reference to the dangers of moving towards socialism that would likely occur if Gillum was elected. He was warning people not to elect Gillum because of the risk of a move to socialism. There is no way a reasonable person can look at his statement and say "it had nothing to do with Gillum." They CAN say "it had nothing to do with Gillum's race - it was about his political stance and policies." That I would accept as probably true (I have no reason to think DeSantis is actually racist). But the use of "monkey" in the context of a statement that was in reference (in any way) to a black person is politically (and socially) stupid.

And this has been said often enough, at this point. I'm going to bow out and let you folks have the last words.

[carpedm9587]

Bullcorn. The hyperlink is there for anybody who wishes to go back and read your whole comment.

Except, of course, that there is no indication that there is more comment to be read. That is the disingenuous part.

And that's what I was asking - then you went wordy.

You're doing the same thing here that you're doing with "monkey" - you are CHOOSING to be offended.

I'm not offended in the least.

[Mountain Man]

Is anyone here actually choosing to be offended? I've seen people here say it's stupid to say.

I don't suppose people consciously choose in each case whether or not to be offended. Rather, I think they made the choice at some point to cultivate a mindset that is hypersensitive and easily triggered by innocuous words and phrases.

[Cow Poke]

Except, of course, that there is no indication that there is more comment to be read. That is the disingenuous part.

OK, crybaby*, I'll use ... in the future. (I usually do, to show that it wasn't the entire content.

I'm not offended in the least.

You're making a big deal out of nothing -- if this were a friend of yours, you'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Because you're an extreme leftist pinko commie and you're rooting for the Democrat, you can't give the slightest benefit of the doubt.

Hence, my question - is there ANYTHING other than this to indicate the guy is racist? The answer is, so far, clearly "no".



*CP does not actually think Carpe is a crybaby - just overly sensitive

[Cow Poke]

His phrase was in reference to the dangers of moving towards socialism that would likely occur if Gillum was elected.................................................. .....

NOT because Gillum was black, but because he's a pinko commie leftist.

And this has been said often enough, at this point. I'm going to bow out and let you folks have the last words.

Wanna bet?

[Cow Poke]

Is anyone here actually choosing to be offended? I've seen people here say it's stupid to say.

When somebody - for whom there is ZERO track record of being racist - says something that you have to INFER is racist, rather than give him the benefit of the doubt - yeah, those people are choosing to be offended, and it's like they think Gillum is incapable of standing up for himself because, gosh, he's BLACK!!!! Liberals seem to think black people need to be "took care of".

FORTUNATELY, I associate with quite a few black men who are confident in who they are, and don't get drawn into this jackwagon nonsense.

[rogue06]

For some just because Trump endorsed him is more than enough to regard him as a racist and give him no benefit of the doubt.

[Cow Poke]

For some just because Trump endorsed him is more than enough to regard him as a racist and give him no benefit of the doubt.

I think that has a WHOLE lot to do with it - guilt by association.

[oxmixmudd]

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One of my posts from earlier in the thread:

No MM. You can't just hand wave away the real history of this:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-c...b_9345322.html

http://theconversation.com/the-ape-i...ist-idea-14808

The use of the term against a person of African Descent IS in fact a racists use of the language. But it is possible the person using the term may not be aware of what it means in our culture today if they somehow are simply ignorant of how the term has been used as a racial slur towards black people in our culture.

In a way, you and other not quite getting it is good, it means there are some people raise unfamiliar with its history - which means you weren't around people using the term that way. But at the same time, there are still a lot of people and a lot of places not raised that way and many black people in this country have found themselves at the butt end of their abuse, to they are in fact still very aware of how the term is used.

So it really is important for you and others here that don't consider themselves racist to UNDERSTAND what is happening here. Even if DeSantis is innocent, he needs to get educated. And so do you and others here fighting so hard to maintain your ignorance of why this is not ok. I assume you and others here don't want to be or continue to feed the racist divide. But to do that, you need to understand what has been done and what sorts of things are going to be a problem. This is a problem. Most of us know not to use the N word. Most of us know not to call a Black man 'boy', again because of how it was used in times of slavery and racial discrimination up to and past the 1970's in this country. Well, calling them Monkeys is really pretty much in that same camp, so you have to be respectful of what it means in that context.

BTW, because of the origin of monkey as correlated with 'less evolved', it finds its way into anti-Semitism and other venues as a derogator and racist term.

It's time to learn and be aware and be respectful.

Now you know. You don't have any more excuses.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

When somebody - for whom there is ZERO track record of being racist - says something that you have to INFER is racist, rather than give him the benefit of the doubt - yeah, those people are choosing to be offended, and it's like they think Gillum is incapable of standing up for himself because, gosh, he's BLACK!!!! Liberals seem to think black people need to be "took care of".

FORTUNATELY, I associate with quite a few black men who are confident in who they are, and don't get drawn into this jackwagon nonsense.

I think if Gillum had any integrity then he would have simply dismissed it as innocuous instead of getting caught up in the race-baiting.

[Cow Poke]

I think it Gillum had any integrity then he would have simply dismissed it as innocuous instead of getting caught up in the race-baiting.

But this is ENTIRELY one-sided -- it's all on whitey. It's like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton making their living on fanning the flames of racism. It really gets old.

[Mountain Man]

The use of the term against a person of African Descent IS in fact a racists use of the language.

Yes... but does it really need to be pointed out -- AGAIN -- that DeSantis did not use the term to refer to Gillum?