White South Africans Face Genocide?

[Sparko]

Yet it was a war of rebellion. The crown of England hadn't given the Americans their land. Whether they ever would have is a question we'll never see answered now.

They were sending troops because of rebellions that were taking place. This led to further uprising and a lot of blood shedding. The US begins in war and rebellion against legitimate authority like that. So it just seems ironic to me that you're denigrating the people in that country, for taking back land which, if I understand the situation correct (and I admit I might not), was originally taken from them.

From what I understand, they have already taken back their country. The white farmers are as much a part of South Africa as the blacks. This is a racial war. Or massacre, actually.

If the Indians had taken back the USA and then began slaughtering all of the white people, then you might have a comparison.

And the US even rebelled against itself when the South rebelled against the North.

It is a matter of degree. That was a war. This is a slaughter of women and children. Disemboweling them, cutting off heads. Raping and skinning them.

I'd imagine at least you guys would have some sympathy. Raphael's story I do remember. But then again I'm just mulling this. Nothing quite sits easy with this for me. I don't like murders. And I can't condone the killing of farmers, and yet I have a very hard time feeling sorry for the farmers who lost their land when it was (again, as I understand it - an understanding I don't entirely trust) ill gotten gains.

Just go google photos.

[Starlight]

If I could post some of the pictures I saw online of the murders in SA, you might change your mind. Do a google search.

The violence throughout SA is pretty extreme. It's a very violent and dangerous country where many terrible things happen.

"White farmers" do not, however, seem to be specifically at risk, hence the bogus nature of this thread. What data there is suggests that blacks are the target of most violent crime, out of proportion to their numbers in the population, and whites are comparatively safe. And there is good data on violence against farmers, which shows it's been dropping over the last 20 years and is now at a 20-year low. So an accurate news headline might be "South Africa is a very dangerous place, but white farmers there are safer than ever".

[Starlight]

The white farmers are as much a part of South Africa as the blacks. This is a racial war. Or massacre, actually.

It's amusing how no matter how many times this is debunked you keep repeating it.

Totally not something a paranoid white supremacist would do.

[Tassman]

Amazing. We have an actual example of Liberal Holocaust Denial Syndrome in Tassy and Starlight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-row-continues

[Sparko]

It's amusing how no matter how many times this is debunked you keep repeating it.

Totally not something a paranoid white supremacist would do.

You posting from racist and biased liberal sources is not going to convince me since I actually know someone who was over there. You do too.

[Sparko]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-row-continues

LOL, yeah South Africa, the country condoning and doing the violence is denying it and is upset that Trump tweeted about it. What a surprise.

[Sparko]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-row-continues

LOL, yeah South Africa, the country condoning and doing the violence is denying it and is upset that Trump tweeted about it. What a surprise.

[MaxVel]

There's an extensive interview with Ernst Roets here on what's happening in South Africa. WARNING: It's not for the sensitive. Some of the things described are really horrific. There can be no moral justification for what is being done to people there.

[Leonhard]

The white farmers are as much a part of South Africa as the blacks.

How did those white farmer get their land? That's what I'm wondering. If there is a history of that land being taken tyranicaly from the ancestors of those who are rising up, then I honestly have a hard time feeling sympathy for them losing that land, either by the government confiscating it, or by having it bought at market price.

I don't condone murders though. I've already told you that Sparko. But so far I can't see any good numbers on how many cases we're dealing with.

If the Indians had taken back the USA and then began slaughtering all of the white people, then you might have a comparison.

It wouldn't be a bad comparison. The Indians were giving an extreme short hand. You know that Sparko.

Just go google photos.

I think I've already said I don't condone murders, though so far I can't find any statistics showing how many it is. I get reports of some dozens. Which is terrible, but we're very far away from something like the Hutu's vs the Tutsi in Rawanda.

That still makes it awful. I don't condone murder Sparko, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to injustice.

[Leonhard]

You posting from racist and biased liberal sources is not going to convince me since I actually know someone who was over there. You do too.

I am worried about Raphael. But I don't remember him saying that everyone around him were being cut down by machetes the last time he spoke about it.

It was a long time ago though, and I can't find his posts. It did sound pretty bad.

[Leonhard]

There's an extensive interview with Ernst Roets here on what's happening in South Africa. WARNING: It's not for the sensitive. Some of the things described are really horrific. There can be no moral justification for what is being done to people there.

Do they mention any sources at any point, any numbers with references?

[Sparko]

How did those white farmer get their land? That's what I'm wondering. If there is a history of that land being taken tyranicaly from the ancestors of those who are rising up, then I honestly have a hard time feeling sympathy for them losing that land, either by the government confiscating it, or by having it bought at market price.

I don't condone murders though. I've already told you that Sparko. But so far I can't see any good numbers on how many cases we're dealing with.

So you would support the American Indians rising up and murdering all the white people then?

You don't condone murders but you don't feel sorry for what is happening to them?

wow.

[Sparko]

I am worried about Raphael. But I don't remember him saying that everyone around him were being cut down by machetes the last time he spoke about it.

It was a long time ago though, and I can't find his posts. It did sound pretty bad.

He has relatives and friends who were raped and murdered. It is why he left, to protect his family.

[Leonhard]

He has relatives and friends who were raped and murdered. It is why he left, to protect his family.

My prayers go out to him. As I've said before, I don't condone rapes or murders.

[Leonhard]

So you would support the American Indians rising up and murdering all the white people then?

No, but I'd support them if they claimed land back.

You don't condone murders but you don't feel sorry for what is happening to them?

I don't feel sorry for the farmers losing farms if they were ill-gained. European settlers murdered more than a hundred thousand indigionous people, enslaved them, subjected them to the Apartheid regime, forced them into poor slums, and left them bereft of wealth that could have been theirs.

Them taking those farms away from those people who are basically living on the goods of that I kinda support actually.

I don't condone the murderings and rapes. But I haven't found any good sources that show that its happening significantly more to white people than black people. It might, in which case I condemn those cases. I condemn it at any rate, but I'd believe there's something to the claim of racism involved in it.

But not the farms and lands being taken back, if they were basically stolen from those who already lived there. Justice involves reparation.

wow.

You don't seem to be willing to listen Sparko. For the past four posts I've condemned the murders.