Why is San Francisco ... covered in POOP?

[Cow Poke]

Homeless people being addicted to drugs or committing criminals acts has no bearing on a lack of toilets available to homeless people.

Actually, it might. Many of the small businesses have toilet facilities available for their customers. A homeless person 'addicted to drugs or committing criminal acts' would not be allowed to use those facilities, where the owner of the business might easily make an exception for somebody he thought might become a customer.

[whag]

I read something recently that I found very interesting. Apparently some liberal or other got it in their head some time ago that psychiatric institutions were "inhumane", and as one thing led to another, a lot of the mentally ill people who used to be housed and cared for in clean, secure facilities are now wandering the streets. This is why there seems to be a sudden "epidemic" of homeless people throughout the United States.

And for the record, seer never said to imprison the homeless, he said that people who defecate in public should be arrested, which is hard to disagree with.

Actually, Reagan was responsible for that:

https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ron...ental_illness/

[Psychic Missile]

Actually, it might. Many of the small businesses have toilet facilities available for their customers. A homeless person 'addicted to drugs or committing criminal acts' would not be allowed to use those facilities, where the owner of the business might easily make an exception for somebody he thought might become a customer.

I agree, although I don't think many businesses in a wealthy area like SF would want a homeless person, or possibly anyone, using their bathroom without paying regardless of the crime or drug addiction rate.

[Psychic Missile]

So businesses were paying living wages 20, 30 years ago when this was hardly a problem?

By definition, since the lower housing costs were affordable.

No it has to do why they are homeless in the first place, and why they are not productive citizens caring for their own needs.

Whether we assume that every homeless person in SF is a drug-addicted criminal or a down-on-their-luck saint, they still don't have anywhere to defecate.

[Sparko]

By definition, since the lower housing costs were affordable.



Whether we assume that every homeless person in SF is a drug-addicted criminal or a down-on-their-luck saint, they still don't have anywhere to defecate.

Surely they could find a spot that is not out on a public sidewalk.

[seer]

By definition, since the lower housing costs were affordable.

So were wages generally...

Whether we assume that every homeless person in SF is a drug-addicted criminal or a down-on-their-luck saint, they still don't have anywhere to defecate.

Well I was down on my luck, a single parent making seven twenty five an hour, close to being homeless - I worked my butt off, taking a second job to make ends meet. Though some of these people just had a bad break the majority are where they are because of the choices they made.

[Cow Poke]

I agree

Lemme marvel at that for a bit before handling the rest of your quote.

[Psychic Missile]

So were wages generally...

Well I was down on my luck, a single parent making seven twenty five an hour, close to being homeless - I worked my butt off, taking a second job to make ends meet. Though some of these people just had a bad break the majority are where they are because of the choices they made.

It doesn't matter if they are homeless because of a lack of effort, they still don't have anywhere to defecate.

[Psychic Missile]

Surely they could find a spot that is not out on a public sidewalk.

Possibly, if such places are common in SF. I've never been, so I can't say. My experience is with NYC, where there aren't many alleyways or other such out of the way areas.

[rogue06]

You can still crap on a piece of paper, in a box, or behind a dumpster rather than on a sidewalk and leave it.

[lilpixieofterror]

Basically the problem can be traced to the tech industry. Most major tech companies have headquarters in Silicon Valley. They pay outrageous wages to get the best employees. San Fran and nearby cities see a gold mine and decide to charge more for everything including housing in order to "get their slice of the pie" - which ends up hurting the regular people who are only getting paid normal wages and can't afford the higher cost of living, which increases the homeless population. Which increases the poop.

It's all because of greed. Kind of like what happened during the actual Gold Rush days.

The second half is the difficulty in new construction in California.

[Sparko]

I was struck by something I saw in a video about why California is such a liberal state.

The fact that California is so liberal and that there is such a large divide between the haves and the have-nots. The middle class has all but abandoned California because of the cost of living there. The poor can't afford to leave. So you end up with the super rich and the extreme poor. Why isn't all that liberal socialism working to even out the class divide between the 1% and the 99% in California? Why aren't they taxing their rich to feed the poor? Why don't they have affordable housing so people don't have to poop on the street and live homeless?

California should be a liberal utopia if all of the liberal ideas about the economy are right, shouldn't it?

[Cow Poke]

I was struck by something I saw in a video about why California is such a liberal state.

The fact that California is so liberal and that there is such a large divide between the haves and the have-nots. The middle class has all but abandoned California because of the cost of living there. The poor can't afford to leave. So you end up with the super rich and the extreme poor. Why isn't all that liberal socialism working to even out the class divide between the 1% and the 99% in California? Why aren't they taxing their rich to feed the poor? Why don't they have affordable housing so people don't have to poop on the street and live homeless?

California should be a liberal utopia if all of the liberal ideas about the economy are right, shouldn't it?

All the rich truly and loving idealists could share their wealth with all the poor people, and California would be a shining example!!!

But, no, they want to force OTHER people to take care of the poor.

[Sparko]

All the rich truly and loving idealists could share their wealth with all the poor people, and California would be a shining example!!!

But, no, they want to force OTHER people to take care of the poor.

They really, really want to, but the three republicans living somewhere in the state are stopping them.

[Psychic Missile]

I was struck by something I saw in a video about why California is such a liberal state.

The fact that California is so liberal and that there is such a large divide between the haves and the have-nots. The middle class has all but abandoned California because of the cost of living there. The poor can't afford to leave. So you end up with the super rich and the extreme poor. Why isn't all that liberal socialism working to even out the class divide between the 1% and the 99% in California? Why aren't they taxing their rich to feed the poor? Why don't they have affordable housing so people don't have to poop on the street and live homeless?

California should be a liberal utopia if all of the liberal ideas about the economy are right, shouldn't it?

There is a difference between modern socialists and neoliberals.