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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle
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It should be plainly obvious by now that "nobody has been able to catch 'The Donald' in the act" of conspiring with Russia for the very simple reason that he didn't conspire with Russia. Hostile witnesses like former Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have been saying since day one that there is no evidence. How many more times will you liberals need to see an official declaration of "no evidence" before you start to believe it?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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This thread is "celebrating" the fact that liberal attempts to convict a man of a crime he never committed appear to be failing.Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
Those "good men" have been abusing their security privileges by leaking information to the press and using their clearance for monetary gain.Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
Liberals, of course, are whooping and hollering when a nasty piece of work like Brennan loses his clearance, yet they were silent when Obama did the same thing to a Trump supporter.
More liberal hypocrisy.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Against false allegations, why not? "Seek justice" and all that...Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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No MM. This is a fundamental abuse of Presidential Power. These men are Patriots, men who have served their country and who in every way meet the requirements of a security clearance and who have a great depth of knowledge and experience this country needs. Political persuasion, philosophy of life within the moderate liberal/conservative guidelines or religious affiliation are NOT criteria for a clearance. You have no idea the negative consequences of this.Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis thread is "celebrating" the fact that liberal attempts to convict a man of a crime he never committed appear to be failing.
Those "good men" have been abusing their security privileges by leaking information to the press and using their clearance for monetary gain.
Liberals, of course, are whooping and hollering when a nasty piece of work like Brennan loses his clearance, yet they were silent when Obama did the same thing to a Trump supporter.
More liberal hypocrisy.
Do you have any clue what this will do to the ability of the Intelligence community to do their Jobs? If every time an intelligence official or public servant has to deliver a message that is honest and true but that isn't what the President wants to hear they have to be concerned about whether or not he strips them of their clearance as punishment for not telling him what he wants to hear? Do you really want to effectively require that people with a clearance never speak a foul word against a political leader or party? Are you really that naive as to what this country is about and what the constitution is about and why we have the right to freedom of religion and freedom of speach?
You are being an ignorant fool. There are no two ways about it. I don't understand how an educated person familiar with history and the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship can NOT be appalled at what Trump is doing in this arena.
And yet, here you are, like a cow led to the slaughter, walking blindly off the cliff all the while singing the praises of your executioner.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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That you are not defending Trumps antics had not occurred to me. Little you've said has given me any indication you are unhappy with what he is doing, or that you agree with me concerning any of the gross violations I've pointed out. In fact, with each comment I make about what Trump is doing that is threatening to our democracy I get one of three refrains (some from you, some from others, this is a summary across the board):Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
1) Somebody liberal did something they think is equally as bad
2) A defense of the action taken (witness MM trying to justify President Trump stripping security clearances for nothing better than petty revenge at the fact they don't like the way he is handling the presidency and for speaking out against his egregious moral and political violations).
3) I get criticized for not recognizing the 'good things' he's done. (This is especially ridiculous. As an extreme to make the point, should the people of Germany have ignored the obvious signs of the Holocaust and focused instead on the 'good things' Hitler was doing to 'make Germany great again' - oh wait, that is exactly what most of them did! #3 is so absurd in light of who and what Trump is it is simply almost sickening)
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-21-2018, 08:00 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Exaggerate much?
That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. DonaldsonComment
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I do like 'colorful metaphors' of the non gutter varietyOriginally posted by Bill the Cat View Post Exaggerate much?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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I never said you did, but YOU implied we did with Trump. Now to you understand? You claim that because Trump is rude or immoral that we are somehow supporting evil. Yet when I point out that all of the others do it, those who agree with you and oppose Trump, why then "well I don't support those actions!" -- it's ok for you to claim not to be associated with those who agree with your viewpoint but act rudely or immorally, but if we agree with Trump and he acts rudely we are somehow complicit in evil. Double standard.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Supporting him as President and his political actions does not mean we necessarily support his personality or personal actions. Especially since we think Hillary was an even worse moral choice. She supported abortion, gay marriage, helped get our troops killed in Benghazi and then covered it up, actually DID have some collusion with Russia, had a private Email server exposing secrets to any hacker with even a modicum of talent, then tried to cover that up and deleted the emails and took a hammer to various devices. And yet you voted for her I am assuming.
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No - it isn't. I am bring to your attention egregious acts of Trump. And in response to that, you are attempting to justify him. For it to be a double standard, you would need to bringing up egregious acts of some other person not associated with DT and I would need to be justifying them. But as you'll note, that is not what happens. When you bring up egregious acts of those opposed to Trump, I agree with you that the are in fact egregious acts and should not be happening.Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I have already said I fault no-one for voting for Trump over Hillary as a rock and a hard place decision. My quarrel with any of you is not at all related with which hard choice you or I made. Nobody had a good choice, we just tried to fight off whatever we saw was the worse of two evils.Supporting him as President and his political actions does not mean we necessarily support his personality or personal actions. Especially since we think Hillary was an even worse moral choice. She supported abortion, gay marriage, helped get our troops killed in Benghazi and then covered it up, actually DID have some collusion with Russia, had a private Email server exposing secrets to any hacker with even a modicum of talent, then tried to cover that up and deleted the emails and took a hammer to various devices. And yet you voted for her I am assuming.
The difference between you and I, and MM and I and other on this is one simple fact. If the person I voted for had won and was acting out with egregious moral and political violations I WOULD NOT BE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS! Nor would I be ignoring all the evidence they did what they were accused of even though no formal charges were yet filed.
One other caveat: At that time of the election as I struggled over which horse of the Apocalypse I'd cast my vote for, I had the amazingly ignorant hope that the Republicans in the House and senate would actually stand for what they spoke about in their campaigns and that their majority would allow a push back against whichever horse won. But with Trump winning I now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the majority of those in the Republican party have not one vertebrae. As they violate everything they said about Trump and morals and principles during their campaigns and follow lock step goose stepping along with their glorious leader.
What I have had my eyes opened to is the fact that while I disagree with many democratic party positions, a much larger number of them are actually acting on their principles than the low lifes that now make up and drive the Republican party. With a few notable exceptions (John McCain and Flake).
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-21-2018, 08:19 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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First of all, no it's not. It is, in fact, well within the bounds of the President's Constitutional authority. The White House spelled this out very clearly in its official statement about Brennan[Brennan has] participated in a shredding of constitutional rights, lied to Congress and has been monetizing and making partisan political use of his clearance since his departure."Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Secondly, Trump didn't make the decision on his own. He consulted with a number of his advisors before making his final decision.
And I can't help but notice that you ignored this part of my post:
"Liberals, of course, are whooping and hollering when a nasty piece of work like Brennan loses his clearance, yet they were silent when Obama did the same thing to a Trump supporter."
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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What's sickening is the extreme rhetoric you display here, all the while castigating extreme rhetoric from Trump. YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN HE IS, Jim. Heck, given your 'holier than thou' attitude, I might consider you worse, since you're wrapping yourself in Christianity. Get a grip on yourself already.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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OK, I admit that it's not entirely accurate to say that there is no evidence of collusion. It's just the evidence doesn't point to the Trump campaign...
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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breitbart?Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Rand Paul?
Brennan has served with distinction 4 presidencies of different parties. 175 current and former intelligence operatives have signed their name and put their own clearances at risk in protest against Trumps action.
Brennan's clearance was not pulled 'for cause' or it would have already been gone. That 'mistake' happened long ago and may well be on the shoulders of the agents that actually released it. It did not result dismissal at the time. This was before Brennan was ever made CIA director. If you know anything at all about how clearances are handled, you would know that had this been a true cause, his clearance would already be gone.
This statement is nothing but CYA.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Genetic fallacy?Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
Both the honorable Senator Rand Paul and the White House laid out clear and explicit reasons for why Brennan was no longer fit to have a security clearance, and given the facts of the matter, I think any reasonable person would be compelled to agree. Brennan may have "served with distinction" in the past, but his more recent conduct over the past couple of years shows someone with questionable and possibly impaired judgment.
Also, why do you continue to remain silent about Obama doing the same thing you are loudly condemning Trump for doing?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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