Collusion update: "no factual evidence"

[One Bad Pig]

Any convictions to date are unrelated to the Trump campaign, and Cohen was suckered into pleading guilty to something that isn't a crime.

The WaPo article I read this morning tried valiantly to make the connection by saying that Cohen's payments were attempts to "influence the election".

[JimL]

The WaPo article I read this morning tried valiantly to make the connection by saying that Cohen's payments were attempts to "influence the election".

You're starting to sound more like MM each day, OBP. WaPo tried valiently? Really! They didn't have to try oh brainwashed one, it was Cohen's own testimony, testimony that the prosecutors claimed to have corroborating evidence of when asked of them by the Judge. Seriously, no wonder you people believe in fake news, it's seems to be the only news that you listen to.

[Mountain Man]

The WaPo article I read this morning tried valiantly to make the connection by saying that Cohen's payments were attempts to "influence the election".

Everything done during a campaign is an attempt to influence an election.

[JimL]

Everything done during a campaign is an attempt to influence an election.

Duh! Everything done during a campaign in an attempt to influence the election isn't necessarily legal.

[oxmixmudd]

Any convictions to date are unrelated to the Trump campaign, and Cohen was suckered into pleading guilty to something that isn't a crime.

So Cohen is going to be sentenced for something that is not a crime? Sure he is ... and I have some beach front property in Arizona I can sell you really cheap ...


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Everything done during a campaign is an attempt to influence an election.

And there are rules about how much can be spent and where. And violations of some of those rules are Felonies.

Jim

[One Bad Pig]

Everything done during a campaign is an attempt to influence an election.

Yep.

[One Bad Pig]

You're starting to sound more like MM each day, OBP. WaPo tried valiently? Really! They didn't have to try oh brainwashed one, it was Cohen's own testimony, testimony that the prosecutors claimed to have corroborating evidence of when asked of them by the Judge. Seriously, no wonder you people believe in fake news, it's seems to be the only news that you listen to.

Are you saying the the Washington Post (Express) is fake news? It's normally first news I see each day (once in a while, I'll catch an NPR update on the radio first).

[rogue06]

So Cohen is going to be sentenced for something that is not a crime?

Actually, that is not unheard of. He can agree to plead guilty to virtually anything the prosecutors tell him they want him to do and since he plead guilty there won't be any examination of whether the charge has any basis in reality or not.

Sure he is ... and I have some beach front property in Arizona I can sell you really cheap ...

Here?

[shunyadragon]

https://apnews.com/a968f26df3a64667afe108107daebc4d

It is odd that the word collusion is being tossed around like turds in a barnyard fight, but the word does not occur in the orders to the Special Investigation Counsel.

[Mountain Man]

So Cohen is going to be sentenced for something that is not a crime?

It's like this: Cohen is screwed on 6 of the 8 charges related to tax avoidance and bank fraud. Those could put him away for life on their own. The 7th charge is not quite as solid but still viable. So the prosecution comes to Cohen with a deal: "Plead guilty to this one other charge, and we'll reduce your sentence from 60-years down to 3 or 4." Do you really think Cohen was going to pass up that deal even if he knew the 8th charge was bogus?

[oxmixmudd]

It's like this: Cohen is screwed on 6 of the 8 charges related to tax avoidance and bank fraud. Those could put him away for life on their own. The 7th charge is not quite as solid but still viable. So the prosecution comes to Cohen with a deal: "Plead guilty to this one other charge, and we'll reduce your sentence from 60-years down to 3 or 4." Do you really think Cohen was going to pass up that deal even if he knew the 8th charge was bogus?

Keep hoping mm. Keeping in mind the prosecution has documents, texts and recordings to confirm cohens pleas I tend think it unlikely he could get away with much in the way of exaggeration. But even if you are correct, Trump has surrounded himself with criminals because he is a criminal. He has no filter, he believes himself above the law. It's just a matter of time.

Jim

[JimL]

It's like this: Cohen is screwed on 6 of the 8 charges related to tax avoidance and bank fraud. Those could put him away for life on their own. The 7th charge is not quite as solid but still viable. So the prosecution comes to Cohen with a deal: "Plead guilty to this one other charge, and we'll reduce your sentence from 60-years down to 3 or 4." Do you really think Cohen was going to pass up that deal even if he knew the 8th charge was bogus?

And you believe that the state is doing this deal with Cohen, why? Because D Trump and his band of thieving con men whispered "deep state" into in your naive ear?

[Tassman]

And you believe that the state is doing this deal with Cohen, why? Because D Trump and his band of thieving con men whispered "deep state" into in your naive ear?

...and of course Trump never lies.

[Mountain Man]

And you believe that the state is doing this deal with Cohen, why?

It's essentially a theatrical performance orchestrated by Mueller to falsely implicate Trump. Why else would the prosecution seek a plea deal in which Cohen receives a drastically reduced sentence in exchange for pleading guilty to something that even the FEC does not view as a crime and for which Cohen's own attorney says there is no corroborating evidence? It's very simple, they made Cohen an offer he literally couldn't refuse: "Either tell us what we want to hear, or spend the rest of your life in prison." It was a shrewd play by the prosecutors because getting a guilty plea means that they get to advance the liberal narrative without their bogus charge being tested in court.