Mike Pence on how presidents should behave

[Charles]

He's just a heartbeat away from being able to demonstrate what real leadership is. That probably terrifies you.

What terrifies me is that given his track record there is no reason to assume he knows what real leadership or moral guidance is.

[Cow Poke]

He told me how "lucky" I was because I had a nice cushy job in the IT sector. I told him I didn't even have a college degree in that. I just had a certificate in electronics and the rest is self-taught. My total cost of education was a few thousand dollars. I did go to college later for graphic design. But that too was just a community college, and I can honestly say I didn't learn squat there. I knew more than the teachers did and half the time I was showing them how to do things.

I had ZERO college credits in IT, yet built a computer consulting company that I ran for over 25 years. It was only later that I took some college courses to prepare for my CCNA - and the classes were a breeze cause I already knew most of the material from working in the field.

[Cow Poke]

What terrifies me is that given his track record there is no reason to assume he knows what real leadership or moral guidance is.

You are certainly entitled your opinion. As for me, I'm not easily terrified, or even scared.

[Cow Poke]

Why would you get one Master's degree in History (let alone two) if you didn't want to go into academia?

During my stint as a College Minister, I would always ask students what their major was, and the followup was "what are you going to do with that degree?"

A) The answer to the former often changed through-out their college years
2) The answer to the latter was pretty much always "I don't know yet"

[Charles]

Pence is the total hypocrite when it comes to Trump's philandering and lies.

With regard to Bill Clinton he said of the role of the president that a president is not "just the like the rest of us., "If you and I fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employers and our friends. The President of the United States can incinerate the planet. Seriously, the very idea that we ought to have at or less than the same moral demands placed on the Chief Executive that we place on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous.

"Throughout our history, we have seen the presidency as the repository of all of our highest hopes and ideals and values. To demand less is to do an injustice to the blood that bought our freedoms."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/06/p...mns/index.html

As is rather obvious some Christians are ready to make a complete sell out of ideas and ideals in order to get the power. They call it "reality". They should look for objective standards. Currently they are building their house on sand.

[Cow Poke]

As is rather obvious some Christians are ready to make a complete sell out of ideas and ideals in order to get the power. They call it "reality". They should look for objective standards. Currently they are building their house on sand.

How, exactly, is Pence "selling out"?

[Sparko]

Why would you get one Master's degree in History (let alone two) if you didn't want to go into academia?

Who knows? I have seen a lot of kids get 'useless' degrees. Maybe they take the easiest courses, or maybe their parents push them into it, or they change their mind after graduating, or can't find jobs in that field because of overcrowding. It seems that there are a lot kids getting academic degrees that are only suitable for teaching, then being unable to find jobs.

I feel sorry for them. It's hard starting out fresh from high school and being expected to know what you want to do with the rest of your life. I think they go to college because it is expected of them, and maybe their parents are paying for it, but they don't know what they want. So they just start taking courses in what they are interested in, not thinking of what they will actually do with the degree when the graduate.

You were smart and went into the Navy, which not only trained you, but gave you time to figure out what you wanted to do with your life, and then gave you money to do it (GI Bill).

[Sparko]

I had ZERO college credits in IT, yet built a computer consulting company that I ran for over 25 years. It was only later that I took some college courses to prepare for my CCNA - and the classes were a breeze cause I already knew most of the material from working in the field.

we started out before there WERE computer degrees in college.

[Cow Poke]

we started out before there WERE computer degrees in college.

Pretty much, yeah. And even when there were college degrees, what happens is....

A) The field is constantly evolving and changing
2) By the time a "course" is developed, it is already out of date
C) Any "instructors" in that field, if they were any good, would be working in the field, not teaching
D) By the time you earned the degree, you are so far BEHIND what's actually happening in the IT world
5) The only "good" that degree will do is get you into the door of some place where they don't understand A, 2, C and D

[Sparko]

As is rather obvious some Christians are ready to make a complete sell out of ideas and ideals in order to get the power. They call it "reality". They should look for objective standards. Currently they are building their house on sand.

Don't you have anything better to do than make up convoluted and manufactured ways to try to attack Christians? Maybe go watch the grass grow, clip your toenails, beat up puppies?

[Sparko]

Pretty much, yeah. And even when there were college degrees, what happens is....

A) The field is constantly evolving and changing
2) By the time a "course" is developed, it is already out of date
C) Any "instructors" in that field, if they were any good, would be working in the field, not teaching
D) By the time you earned the degree, you are so far BEHIND what's actually happening in the IT world
5) The only "good" that degree will do is get you into the door of some place where they don't understand A, 2, C and D

Yep,. that is what happened to me in my graphics course. The teachers were still teaching the old way of doing graphics like drawing fonts by hand or using rub off lettering! They didn't have a clue how to run the computers or use the software. I had to teach THEM. It was sad.

[Charles]

How, exactly, is Pence "selling out"?

Take a look at what he said:

"If you and I fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employers and our friends. The President of the United States can incinerate the planet. Seriously, the very idea that we ought to have at or less than the same moral demands placed on the Chief Executive that we place on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous." https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/06/p...mns/index.html

Think about Donald Trump after reading that. If the point is not obvious, then read on:

He is selling out by going for such high ideals in writing and then supporting a president in his third marriage who tries to cover up his realtions with porn stars. He is also selling out by not contradicting Jeff Sessions absurd use of Romans 13. He is selling out by being a part of an administration separating "the least of these" from their parents. He is selling out by supporting a president who lies a lot. He is selling out by supporting a president who seemingly trusts Putin over his own intelligence services (or at least creates a ton of smoke on the issue). Quite many sell outs and there is no doubt more. Not a person I would trust for moral guidance or true leadership.

[Charles]

Don't you have anything better to do than make up convoluted and manufactured ways to try to attack Christians? Maybe go watch the grass grow, clip your toenails, beat up puppies?

It appears you missed the word "some" in my post. I have no idea why you think it is something i "make up". The lack of real arguments is once again an indication that it is not easy to prove it wrong.

[Cow Poke]

Take a look at what he said:

"If you and I fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employers and our friends. The President of the United States can incinerate the planet. Seriously, the very idea that we ought to have at or less than the same moral demands placed on the Chief Executive that we place on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous." https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/06/p...mns/index.html

Yeah, we got that.

Think about Donald Trump after reading that. If the point is not obvious, then read on:

He is selling out by going for such high ideals in writing and then supporting a president in his third marriage who tries to cover up his realtions with porn stars.

OR, he's standing in line to do the job he believes he has been called to do.

He is also selling out by not contradicting Jeff Sessions absurd use of Romans 13.

Horsepucky.

He is selling out by being a part of an administration separating "the least of these" from their parents. He is selling out by supporting a president who lies a lot. He is selling out by supporting a president who seemingly trusts Putin over his own intelligence services (or at least creates a ton of smoke on the issue). Quite many sell outs and there is no doubt more. Not a person I would trust for moral guidance or true leadership.

OR, he's standing patiently in line to do the job he believes he has been called to do.

[Sparko]

It appears you missed the word "some" in my post. I have no idea why you think it is something i "make up". The lack of real arguments is once again an indication that it is not easy to prove it wrong.

I didn't miss anything. I was commenting on your behavior in general.