Mike Pence on how presidents should behave

[One Bad Pig]

Pence is a hypocrite for supporting and then teaming up with Trump in the first place. And yes, I do believe that he should be true to his (so called) principles rather than being a hypocrite. Don't you?

I think that you're doing a bang-up job of assuming and arguing from silence. What actual evidence makes you think he's not being true to his principles?

[lilpixieofterror]

Is that why Pence has this policy, so he doesn't sexually assault or rape women?

[lilpixieofterror]

I'd have to assume you don't have internet or access to news, but here you are!

PM, why is this such a big issue to you? Why do you care of people want to exercise a little prudence? Who does this harm?

[Sparko]

That isn't a real concern. 99% of men don't follow Pence's policy and have no issue. Even if it were a problem, that would mean nobody should be alone with anyone because they could accuse you of anything.

so if someone did have a policy like that, what would it matter to you? It's their business.

[Cow Poke]

That's about the only unreasonable explanation out there, I suppose.

[Charles]

I think that you're doing a bang-up job of assuming and arguing from silence. What actual evidence makes you think he's not being true to his principles?

Here is a quick reminder on what some of his principles were:

"In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again." Mike Pence

I don't get the impression he is talking about a man in his third marriage who has had sex with porn stars while being married as a role model of all that we have been and can be again.

[Cow Poke]

Here is a quick reminder on what some of his principles were:

"In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again." Mike Pence

That's not "some of his principles", that's one of them, but a good one with which I agree.

I don't get the impression he is talking about a man in his third marriage who has had sex with porn stars while being married as a role model of all that we have been and can be again.

I think that would be a safe assumption.

[One Bad Pig]

Here is a quick reminder on what some of his principles were:

"In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again." Mike Pence

I don't get the impression he is talking about a man in his third marriage who has had sex with porn stars while being married as a role model of all that we have been and can be again.

Correct. And? You think he should have self-righteously declined to serve and left the position with even less moral guidance? You don't know what he's doing behind the scenes.

[Charles]

Correct. And? You think he should have self-righteously declined to serve and left the position with even less moral guidance? You don't know what he's doing behind the scenes.

I think there is a contradiction and that is his problem not mine. Words don't mean much if we can all just go for the first excuse that comes around.

As for moral guidance from Pence... I do not trust him to provide that. The moral standard of the administration is alarmingly low. If he can live with that he is not a guiding light in moral issues.

I also fail to see how it would be self righteous to decline to serve if you really believe what he at least seemed to believe back then. Don't confuse principles with being self righteous. There is a huge and very important difference.

[One Bad Pig]

I think there is a contradiction and that is his problem not mine.

How is it his problem? Why should he care what some random foreigner thinks?

Words don't mean much if we can all just go for the first excuse that comes around.

Nice platitude.

As for moral guidance from Pence... I do not trust him to provide that. The moral standard of the administration is alarmingly low. If he can live with that he is not a guiding light in moral issues.

I just love people with no objective moral standard pontificating on moral standards.

I also fail to see how it would be self righteous to decline to serve if you really believe what he at least seemed to believe back then. Don't confuse principles with being self righteous. There is a huge and very important difference.

It is possible to set an ideal and simultaneously acknowledge reality. If Pence himself were President and not living up to his own standards, I can understand why that would be seen as hypocritical. Refusing to serve because someone is imperfect is asinine, because everyone's imperfect. Get off your high horse, already.

[Leonhard]

In my perspective Mike Pence is wrong on just about every single political stance he opens his mouth on. From the economy, to social issues, to the environment, to his anti-college stance, to how he handles the press. There's even some LGBTQ stuff I disagree with him on, such as his support for conversion therapy, which frankly ought to be outlawed and labelled child abuse. He's just wrong abou everything basically.

However I can't fault him for being a Christian though, and trying to live that ethos as consistently as he can, given the circumstances. You work with what you have to work with.

[Littlejoe]

In my perspective Mike Pence is wrong on just about every single political stance he opens his mouth on. From the economy, to social issues, to the environment, to his anti-college stance, to how he handles the press. There's even some LGBTQ stuff I disagree with him on, such as his support for conversion therapy, which frankly ought to be outlawed and labelled child abuse. He's just wrong abou everything basically.

However I can't fault him for being a Christian though, and trying to live that ethos as consistently as he can, given the circumstances. You work with what you have to work with.

I've never heard of Mike Pence being anti-college...he's a college graduate himself...

But, i'll also chime in and say college is NOT the be all end all, and is not for everyone. My IQ has always been rated fairly high, but I struggled with school. Very few teachers could teach the way I learned best. I have a 2 year degree and though I'm certainly not rich, I have lived a decent life. My wife doesn't work outside the home and we raised 3 kids, one who is now in college.

[Psychic Missile]

He has the policy so he can't be accused of doing so. Why does this have your panties all in a bunch?

There is a problem among certain people on this forum where they will believe anything they are told at face value if it panders to their beliefs.

[Psychic Missile]

I'd have to assume you don't have internet or access to news, but here you are!

PM, why is this such a big issue to you? Why do you care of people want to exercise a little prudence? Who does this harm?

It harms women who need to or want to work with Pence but won't have the same opportunity as men. It's also preferable that our Vice President not peddle in • Edited by a Moderator •.

You totally made up this 'statistic', and just keeping repeating it over and over doesn't make it any truerererer.

It's not intended to be a statistic you might conceivably believe, it's intended to be me telling you that this isn't a real problem because a false accusation of infidelity affecting a politician's career hardly ever happens.

Where did I make such a claim?

That's my mistake, I didn't realize you were responding to a reply directed at someone else. Do you not agree with Sparko that the possibility of a false accusation of infidelity justifies Pence's policy?

There's far more evidence to suggest such prudence is advisable than there is for your made up 'statistic'.

What's the evidence?

[One Bad Pig]

There is a problem among certain people on this forum where they will believe anything they are told at face value if it panders to their beliefs.

Yes, you appear to carry that distinction.