Mike Pence on how presidents should behave

[Charles]

This is called an opinion.

Yep. The same goes for pretty much of what goes on at tweb if you have not noted.

If you disagree with the particular opinion feel free to tell us why.

[Cow Poke]

Yep. The same goes for pretty much of what goes on at tweb if you have not noted.

If you disagree with the particular opinion feel free to tell us why.

"us"? You're somebody's spokesman?

And I already told why.

[JimL]

I don't know about you, but I've been cynical about politics for most of my adult life. I agree, the President should tell the truth. However, I find it massively hypocritical that the fine folks you've linked to are suddenly all angsty about it after having turned a blind eye to the last administration and Trump's primary opponent for exactly the same thing.

Yeah, because the Obama administration was just so corrupt, right. Not! You people really have lost all credibility with your continued defense of treasonous Trump and his gang of theives and the false equivalence that you attribute to Obama and Clinton.

[Psychic Missile]

That's nuttier than a fruitcake.

You don't think people make business relationships, progress in their career, or even just do their work by meeting with people one on one? Have you ever had a job?

In other words, you made it up and cannot support it.

What is the support for the idea that false rumors of infidelity hurt careers because of men spending time with someone who isn't their spouse? There are politicians who have actually cheated on their spouse and had no issue. One of them is President.

That's a really weird way of putting it -- the possibility of a false accusation is minimized by such a policy, but it's not the sole reason it's done.

How can you know if something that doesn't happen often happens less because of any given policy?

[Psychic Missile]

If you are a supervisor or manager and there are few or no other supervisors or managers in the same position it is likely you harm any male subordinates and your company is susceptible to a sexual discrimination lawsuit. If you can't be alone with a subordinate for a few minutes while they discuss some work matter with you without you sexually assaulting them or having a relationship against company policy, you should not be in that role. If someone is spreading rumors, they are displaying improper conduct and should be disciplined via company policy. Evidence is not required for anyone to start a rumor, and often rumors are started without any evidence at all.

I would love for you to point out all the ruined careers based on a false accusation of sexual misconduct that warrant having the policy. It is not the responsibility of women to actively avoid accusations of "sleeping their way to the top". Sexism doesn't need an excuse, it will exist regardless of the facts.

[Psychic Missile]

Oh, cut the passive-aggressive crap already. You know perfectly well what you were trying to imply.

That Pence is either worried that he will cheat on his wife, worried that he will sexually assault a woman, and/or is a sexist? I don't care to hide that at all. There's no evidence that the policy is justified, so there has to be an ulterior motive, as is commonly the case with politicians. It astounds me that certain people are all too eager to take anything someone "on their side" says at face value.

[Cow Poke]

You don't think people make business relationships, progress in their career, or even just do their work by meeting with people one on one?

That's such a stupid question.

Have you ever had a job?

And you doubled down on stupid.

[lilpixieofterror]

If you are a supervisor or manager and there are few or no other supervisors or managers in the same position it is likely you harm any male subordinates and your company is susceptible to a sexual discrimination lawsuit. If you can't be alone with a subordinate for a few minutes while they discuss some work matter with you without you sexually assaulting them or having a relationship against company policy, you should not be in that role. If someone is spreading rumors, they are displaying improper conduct and should be disciplined via company policy. Evidence is not required for anyone to start a rumor, and often rumors are started without any evidence at all.

I would love for you to point out all the ruined careers based on a false accusation of sexual misconduct that warrant having the policy. It is not the responsibility of women to actively avoid accusations of "sleeping their way to the top". Sexism doesn't need an excuse, it will exist regardless of the facts.

[lilpixieofterror]

That Pence is either worried that he will cheat on his wife, worried that he will sexually assault a woman, and/or is a sexist? I don't care to hide that at all. There's no evidence that the policy is justified, so there has to be an ulterior motive, as is commonly the case with politicians. It astounds me that certain people are all too eager to take anything someone "on their side" says at face value.

Assertions are the best kind of evidence and repeating it makes it double true. How many sexual scandals have brought down politicians again?

[lilpixieofterror]

That's such a stupid question.



And you doubled down on stupid.

I like how PM thinks none of us are working professionals that seem to get the job done just fine using similar guidelines.

[Tassman]

I don't know about you, but I've been cynical about politics for most of my adult life. I agree, the President should tell the truth. However, I find it massively hypocritical that the fine folks you've linked to are suddenly all angsty about it after having turned a blind eye to the last administration and Trump's primary opponent for exactly the same thing.

Yeah right, Obama was such a liar, who cheated on his wives and his administration was famously so corrupt. REALLY!

[Charles]

That Pence is either worried that he will cheat on his wife, worried that he will sexually assault a woman, and/or is a sexist? I don't care to hide that at all. [...]

Donald Trump is a bit less worried. He said the following about his own daughter:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ugh-guy-41447/

[Charles]

I don't know about you, but I've been cynical about politics for most of my adult life. I agree, the President should tell the truth. However, I find it massively hypocritical that the fine folks you've linked to are suddenly all angsty about it after having turned a blind eye to the last administration and Trump's primary opponent for exactly the same thing.

I think you missed a very basic point in what was said. What is going on now does not compare to what has been going on earlier:

[Cow Poke]

I like how PM thinks none of us are working professionals that seem to get the job done just fine using similar guidelines.

I think these liberal men treat women the same way they treat minorities - they think they're not smart enough to function in society, so they have to constantly be coming to their aid and thinking for them.

I can't think of any other reason they have to get all upset that a gentleman chooses to be a gentleman.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah right, Obama was such a liar, who cheated on his wives and his administration was famously so corrupt. REALLY!

Obama was a much more refined liar, to be sure, and much more polished in his egocentricity.