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Dave Rubin: So You Think You're Tolerant?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postfify
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThinking a minority group is inferior and should be treated as such isn't a mere disagreement, it's a repugnance that has led to the greatest atrocities of history.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThinking a minority group is inferior and should be treated as such isn't a mere disagreement, it's a repugnance that has led to the greatest atrocities of history. It's a good thing that empathetic individuals are vigilant for the dragging of peoples back to such times. An overzealous few are understandable even if they prove to be an obstacle.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThe left is tolerant so long as you don't support oppression. If you want to call that intolerance, that's fine with me.
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Originally posted by LeaC View PostThis is the problem, though. You make it a absolutist moral battle rather than legal disagreement and assume that your interpretation of the 'evidence for oppression' is the correct view in all circumstances. I can't tell from this if we disagree on any issues - but I know if I do, I'm a reprehensible monster, regardless of my reasons why.
I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!""I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?
I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?
Really, this idea that you think your political opponents are immoral(or believe that I do?) is difficult to understand. Maybe you've lived your entire life surrounded by friends/family/neighbors who all agree with you, but... I haven't. If I denounced everyone I ever argued with, we'd never get through thanksgiving.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostI find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?
I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"
Now, if they were to advance the cause of murdering newborn children, that might be a different situation!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"
I accept that you care about the well being of others, well sometimes as I will show. The only difference between the right and the left is that when those of us on the right disagree with the left we just think you are wrong and we are right and we can have a discussion. You leftists on the other hand think those you disagree with are evil and you have the right to call for shutting down their speech, shout them down, punch them in the face etc and it is ok because hey you are combating evil so no discussion is needed. The left is being called out for not wanting a reasoned discussion only group think and using what ever means they can dehumanize those they disagree with so they can shut them down by whatever means you want to.
This difference in attitude is shown very well by what happened on ABC's twitter feed where I first found the story that I mention in my Op here
There was no government taking out of someone else pocket to give to a young man that showed his work ethic and dedication (with no thought to entitlement); it was a private person who happened to be the CEO the company that young man worked for that gave something of his own showing he cared about someone well being. Not to mention the policemen that helped out as well. That incident is a sample of American Ideal that you on the left call evil and uncaring as was shown in the twitter feed all the left could do is say how terrible that the CEO wasn't paying the the young man more he was evil for not doing that or that the original story didn't mention the skin color* of the young man. Those of us on the right on the other hand looked at it and said what an awesome story and well done to both the young man who wanted to make a good impression on his first day and the CEO.
*for some reason the Left seem to think that the color of your skin matters and while we on the Right think the content of your character matters. another difference between the left and the right. color, gender, or walk of life etc. does not matter to the right only character, the left puts you into boxes based on the above. which side was shoring racism? Not the right race did not matter only the individuals of the story mattered.
So folks who's intolerant? The side that just disagrees and wants a discussion or the side that calls the other side evil so they can use any means they care to to shut the other side up.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 07-19-2018, 11:34 AM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, to which minority group am I doing that?Last edited by Psychic Missile; 07-19-2018, 04:37 PM.
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Originally posted by LeaC View PostThis is the problem, though. You make it a absolutist moral battle rather than legal disagreement and assume that your interpretation of the 'evidence for oppression' is the correct view in all circumstances. I can't tell from this if we disagree on any issues - but I know if I do, I'm a reprehensible monster, regardless of my reasons why.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI'm not saying you're doing that, I'm saying that's commonly what's on the left's minds when they seem "intolerant".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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