Conservatives fighting back

[Sparko]

Wrong, unlawful presence is not a crime,

Here, let me help you with that.

[seer]

Here, let me help you with that.

oops...

[JimL]

Here, let me help you with that.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...awfully-crime/

[Charles]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...awfully-crime/

Interesting. Thank you.

[One Bad Pig]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...awfully-crime/

When did the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops suddenly become authoritative in matters of law?

[Sparko]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...awfully-crime/

In order to have an illegal presence, they had to illegally enter the country. Crossing the border without permission or a VISA is a crime. It is basically invasion. And a civil infraction is still a crime. Whenever you break the law you commit a crime.


Is it a Crime to Enter The U.S. Illegally?http://www.uscis.gov/laws/immigratio...ationality-act.)
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/...illegally.html

Also next time don't argue by weblink or you will be reported.

[Sparko]

When did the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops suddenly become authoritative in matters of law?

Jimmy just uses google and whatever source agrees with him. Kinda like Shunya does. Argument ad Googlum.

[One Bad Pig]

Jimmy just uses google and whatever source agrees with him. Kinda like Shunya does. Argument ad Googlum.

When, he actually provides a link, yes. It's vanishingly rare that Jim uses any source whatsoever.

[JimL]

When, he actually provides a link, yes. It's vanishingly rare that Jim uses any source whatsoever.

So which of you is the correct mind reader, Sparko or yourself?

[JimL]

In order to have an illegal presence, they had to illegally enter the country. Crossing the border without permission or a VISA is a crime. It is basically invasion. And a civil infraction is still a crime. Whenever you break the law you commit a crime.


Is it a Crime to Enter The U.S. Illegally?http://www.uscis.gov/laws/immigratio...ationality-act.)
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/...illegally.html

And are they guilty prior to conviction? Improper entry, if convicted is a misdemeaner, a $50 fine, not a criminal offense requiring jail and separation from their children.

[One Bad Pig]

So which of you is the correct mind reader, Sparko or yourself?

I have no idea why you rarely provide sources. When you do, they typically do not support your case very well. Shunya, although he provides sources much more frequently, also has that problem.

[Sparko]

And are they guilty prior to conviction? Improper entry, if convicted is a misdemeaner, a $50 fine, not a criminal offense requiring jail and separation from their children.

Is a murderer guilty when he kills someone or when he is convicted? He is guilty when he murders someone, whether or not he is caught. The law might treat him as innocent until proven guilty, but that is a matter of finding, not truth.

And that is a terribly weak argument on your part.

The punishment for illegal entry is not a $50 fine, where are you getting that from? It is being arrested, then deported.