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And with far more words than adequate! 
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Carpe says EVERYTHING better! And with far more words than adequate!
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Actually, I don't doubt the number at all. My post listed the various ways they get in that I know about. I said nothing about proportions because I try not to cite statistics when I don't have them documented. 90% is perfectly believable. Indeed, I would suspect it would be slightly higher for families.Originally posted by rogue06 View Post*ahem* According to an article in the The San Diego Union-Tribune "The United Nations estimates that undocumented immigrants attempting to jump the border hire coyotes 90 percent of the time."
But you can ignore it since I'm sure its yet another of those right wing memes that keep popping up
That still does not address the question asked.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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CP - the question was about "families." Are you trying to tell me that there is a rash of immigrant families that are stealing equipment to make crack pipes?Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI can absolutely attest to that, having been the facilities guy for a gas compression company with sites all along south Texas.
And, the would break our equipment to steal the site glasses to use for crack pipes.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Translation: Yeah... That's what I meant to say. Even if what I actually said sounded like I was trying to contradict it.Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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A "rash"? They make medicines for that, Carpe.Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Here's the deal. The gas compression engines in the field vibrate when they are running, and the do not vibrate when they stop. When they are not vibrating, a sensor sends an alert, and because we guaranteed 89% up time, a couple of our techs would arrive pretty durn soon after the 'alarm', and it was not at all unusual to find a group of people - including children - there at the site where the equipment had been damaged.
Now, I don't know about you, but I didn't think it was a good idea for our guys to chase them down and DNA test them to see if they were actually families - but they had women and children with them. Numerous times.
ETA: And I seriously doubt if those fine folks showed up in any government studies.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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Why use a sentence when a paragraph is better? In fact one would thank that you, a master of yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada, which brings to mind another thought.Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCarpe says EVERYTHING better! And with far more words than adequate!
Every time this discussion comes up, I find myself yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada, and there are relatively few tomatoes that can withstand that.
So just to sum up, if you take a moment to consider the yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada, which is why toe fungus is a persistent problem.
Thanks for your kind attention.
Michel
P.S. Just to clarify, I seldom find a need to yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada, so blueberries CAN be used in place of boysenberries.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostTranslation: Yeah... That's what I meant to say. Even if what I actually said sounded like I was trying to contradict it.
You guys usually get these translations badly wrong...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Did I tell you about my yada yada yada on one of my college certification essays?Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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I could use some. I have a rash in my crot....umm...err...never mindOriginally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Interesting. I have to wonder why this story is so much at odds with what my own cronies on border tell me. Maybe there's a difference between commercial trespass/crime and residential trespass/crime? I have no clue. But I also do not doubt your word. I do have to wonder, however, if "presence" is the same as "committing the crime." If I were taking my family across the border in a group led by a coyote, and the group stopped somewhere and a few of the men in the group broke into something, would that implicate me in the crime because I am in the same group?Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Then they don't exist.Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
(that was a joke, son.)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI could use some. I have a rash in my crot....umm...err...never mind
roguetech has just the thing for you. Made from 75% natural Sterno and 25% pure thermite. Guaranteed to get rid of even the worsterest of rashes.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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I'm not sure of the "immigrants families with children" specifically. I know from my 12 years as a volunteer chaplain (I visit approx. once a month) in a Texas Max security prison, that there are quite a few who are in prison for various crimes and most of them have families. Other than my personal experience, the only other numbers about crime is what I posted in post #398Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostLast edited by Littlejoe; 08-01-2018, 03:45 PM."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett DirksenComment
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Gives the concept of a blo...umm... never mind...Originally posted by rogue06 View Post roguetech has just the thing for you. Made from 75% natural Sterno and 25% pure thermite. Guaranteed to get rid of even the worsterest of rashes.
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Here I have to admit to some dubiousness. First of all, a significant number of these reports, when you dig into them, count the illegal entry as a crime, immediately inflating the numbers. The fact that the crime number is significantly higher than the number of people investigated makes me suspect this is the case here. I'd have to see the data to know.Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
Be that as it may, any illegal immigration is unacceptable, IMO. It is also unacceptable in the views of every single Democrat I know. Indeed, it is unacceptable in the eyes of any American I know (that I have had this conversation with). The issue at hand is a) how do we best prevent it, and b) what do we do about the 11M immigrants currently here.
The fact is we will never prevent it 100%. But we can greatly reduce it with the right strategy and technology. For various reasons I've discussed before, the "wall" is not going to cut it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have walls in places where the problems are greatest, but the wall alone will not solve the problem. Segments of wall/fence coupled with detection technology, adequate staffing for the border patrol, and consistent policy are required. We should put a stake in the ground and adopt a "zero tolerance" for illegal immigration going forward.
As for the existing 11M, I have stated my position before. If they have been convicted of a significant crime (i.e., anything that would earn them jail time), they should be deported - no questions asked. If they have not, then I believe they should be permitted an arduous path to citizenship. It should include elements NOT required for someone entering legally (e.g., extended community service, etc.). I believe this because the fault that they are here is shared. They carry part of it for coming to begin with. We carry part of it for having a screwed up immigration system that permitted the situation for as long as it did, allowing these people to establish roots, build community ties, and even raise families that now know no other country than the U.S. I believe that is the humanitarian approach. I also believe it is economically sound. These people represent an important employment base, many have started businesses that employ others, and most are solid contributors to our country.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick DouglasComment
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Maybe because this isn't happening "on the border". It's in counties inside the USA, often on ranchers' land where we have leases, and you DO realize that "the border" in some places is only a knee-deep muddy stream, yes?Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
I think it's wherever the coyotes think Border agents are not watching. And some of this, because it's on ranchers' property, is residential, but our gas compression equipment would be considered commercial, obviously. I don't think the Sheriffs really make a distinction.Maybe there's a difference between commercial trespass/crime and residential trespass/crime?
It certainly could detain you, unless one of the men wants to take full responsibility.I have no clue. But I also do not doubt your word. I do have to wonder, however, if "presence" is the same as "committing the crime." If I were taking my family across the border in a group led by a coyote, and the group stopped somewhere and a few of the men in the group broke into something, would that implicate me in the crime because I am in the same group?
Here's the deal - I no longer work for that company as an employee, but I still do consulting for them in a number of areas. One of them is security, and I've had to tell the guys that work these areas...
A) You know that company policy is very strict about firearms in company vehicles, and you could get terminated!
2) OFF the record - you're stupid if you don't have some type of serious protection. (These alarms often go off at 2 - 5 AM when it's dark - and out in the country, it's DARK when it's dark!)
C) Do NOT respond to a night alarm alone - WAIT for another employee to stand by while you check the unit.
I work directly with the security team from Anadarko, and they would tell you the same thing if they thought they could trust you.
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