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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis story is just breaking:
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I'm disappointed... in the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. If they had just ignored the baker's religion and stuck to the discrimination against gays, they would have provided an interesting and influential case. Instead, they ruined it by attacking the baker's religious beliefs.
So I count this as a win for religious freedom.Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.
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Originally posted by Yttrium View PostI'm disappointed... in the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. If they had just ignored the baker's religion and stuck to the discrimination against gays, they would have provided an interesting and influential case. Instead, they ruined it by attacking the baker's religious beliefs.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post548224Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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I expect Carp to come in here at any moment begging for forgiveness for daring to question my supreme court level intellect.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI expect Carp to come in here at any moment begging for forgiveness for daring to question my supreme court level intellect.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, maybe so, especially from this paragraph....
The ruling, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy, is not the wide-ranging ruling on religious liberty that some expected. It is tailored to the case at hand with the justices holding that members of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showed animus toward Phillips specifically when they suggested his claims of religious freedom was made to justify discrimination.
So since the decision covers religious freedom of creative artwork, that is not "narrow" at all, that pretty much everything people have been asking for. The only similar cases that would not include artistry was the wedding venue case, where some Christian place refused to allow a gay couple to be married there, and one caterer that refused to cater a gay wedding.
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Another win today...
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The American Civil Liberties Union has brought numerous lawsuits against the Trump administration on behalf of illegal immigrant teenagers seeking abortions, arguing the government is obligated to provide the young girls with the operation. The lower courts have handed victory after victory to the ALCU, which have allowed the girls to receive abortions, despite government objections.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/0...clu-objectionsAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostExcept nobody has been arguing that a business can refuse to serve gay people...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat was me. I was the one arguing that point. I bet the supreme court was reading my posts on the topic here on tweb and it helped them make the right decision.
I expect Carp to come in here at any moment begging for forgiveness for daring to question my supreme court level intellect.
The mind boggles
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, they were openly hostile to religious views. See my quote from Kennedy...
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post548224Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis is just poor writing; the language implies a 5-4 ruling. The ruling is narrow in scope, but that's often the case with USSC rulings.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostExcept nobody has been arguing that a business can refuse to serve gay people and that the bakeries have also said that they would be fine with serving off the shelf cakes or cakes for other occasions like birthdays. I think Roy found one baker in some dinky case that refused to even bake the cake much less decorate it.
So since the decision covers religious freedom of creative artwork, that is not "narrow" at all, that pretty much everything people have been asking for. The only similar cases that would not include artistry was the wedding venue case, where some Christian place refused to allow a gay couple to be married there, and one caterer that refused to cater a gay wedding."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
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Originally posted by Yttrium View PostI'm not sure how that contradicts with what I said...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Reading the Opinion of the Court, I came across this:
When it comes to weddings, it can be assumed that a member of the clergy who objects to gay marriage on moral and religious grounds could not be compelled to perform the ceremony without denial of his or her right to the free exercise of religion. This refusal would be well understood in our constitutional order as an exercise of religion, an exercise that gay persons could recognize and accept without serious diminishment to their own dignity and worth.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...6-111_j4el.pdf
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