SCOTUS & gay wedding cakes

[NorrinRadd]

Ahh... I see. Yes. I have no problem with people voicing their discontent or unhappiness with people that believe same-sex marriage is OK. Likewise, I have no problem with people voicing their belief that same-sex marriage is not OK. Those are beliefs. People are entitled to their beliefs, and to speak their beliefs freely.

But not to "exercise" those beliefs. Ok.

[JimL]

No my dim-witted friend. They thought by getting Trump as Hillary's opponent that she could breeze into the White House. Didn't work out that way.

Okay rogue, and tell us how exactly did the MSM go about getting Trump nominated.

Something like this happened several decades ago in the state I live. Since primaries are open a large number of Republicans crossed-over to vote for a Democrat they were sure was pure poison and could never win in the up-coming gubernatorial race. They succeeded in getting him as the Democrat's candidate.

But then the concept of be careful what you wish for reared its head and the election had no clear winner (thanks to many horrified Democrats backing a third party candidate) so it got thrown to the state legislature to decide. Even though the Republican candidate won the majority of the votes cast (but not the required >50%) the Democrat-dominated General Assembly held their collective noses and selected their fellow Democrat to be the next governor.

That is not the same thing at all. That was a republican strategy, not a media scheme. So, how did the MSM pull it off, how did they get Trump nominated?

[JimL]

And boy do those liberals ever get it REALLY wrong when they assume that somebody is a "Trumpster" simply because they exercised their right to employ a protest vote.

You voted for a treasonous, authoritarian, anti-democratic, Putin wannabe as a protest against Hillary?

[Cow Poke]

You voted for a treasonous, authoritarian, anti-democratic, Putin wannabe as a protest against Hillary?

That might be the way an ignorant leftist loon might describe it after a half dozen beers.

[JimL]

I'm aware this is how the intolerant drama queen loony left characterizes the President, yes.

If you can't yet see who Trump actually is, then you are either very naive and easily conned, or you whole heartily support the treasonous scum bag.

[Cow Poke]

If you can't yet see who Trump actually is, then you are either very naive and easily conned, or you whole heartily support the treasonous scum bag.

Congratulations, Jim! You have created a false dichotomy of the sloppiest kind!

[KingsGambit]

You voted for a treasonous, authoritarian, anti-democratic, Putin wannabe as a protest against Hillary?

I only agree with 3 out of those 4. I don't think he's treasonous.

[JimL]

I only agree with 3 out of those 4. I don't think he's treasonous.

We will know for certain when Mueller's report comes out, but right now as President of the U.S., and leader of Western democracies, he is absolutely doing Putins will. There is no doubt in my mind that he is either beholden to Putin for some nefarious reason, or he is in ideological agreement with the authoritarian and thus a traitor. Also, plain old common sense should tell you that an innocent man doesn't act the way Trump has acted since the beginning of this investigation.

[Tassman]

But not to "exercise" those beliefs. Ok.

Not if exercising those beliefs denies others the rights that you and I enjoy, namely to marry a partner of our own choosing.

[rogue06]

Okay rogue, and tell us how exactly did the MSM go about getting Trump nominated.

Saturation coverage (and at that point not much criticism^[1]) to the exclusion of the other candidates would be a start.




1. That started only after it looked like he would win

[Cow Poke]

Saturation coverage (and at that point not much criticism^[1]) to the exclusion of the other candidates would be a start.




1. That started only after it looked like he would win

This is like explaining a card trick to a chicken.

[Cow Poke]

We will know for certain when Mueller's report comes out, but right now as President of the U.S., and leader of Western democracies, he is absolutely doing Putins will. There is no doubt in my mind that he is either beholden to Putin for some nefarious reason, or he is in ideological agreement with the authoritarian and thus a traitor. Also, plain old common sense should tell you that an innocent man doesn't act the way Trump has acted since the beginning of this investigation.

Wow. Do you also believe he faked the moon landings?

[carpedm9587]

But not to "exercise" those beliefs. Ok.

They are absolutely free to exercise those beliefs - in a non-discriminatory fashion.

All of our beliefs have boundaries, Norrin. There are lines that cannot be crossed just because your religious beliefs say "believe this." So the baker can own the consequence of their moral choice and simply get out of the wedding cake business. Problem solved. No discrimination is happening, and they can "exercise" their beliefs. If they stay in the wedding cake business, they should morally (and hopefully someday, legally) provide it to all couples regardless of their sex.

[Cow Poke]

They are absolutely free to exercise those beliefs - in a non-discriminatory fashion.

All of our beliefs have boundaries, Norrin. There are lines that cannot be crossed just because your religious beliefs say "believe this." So the baker can own the consequence of their moral choice and simply get out of the wedding cake business. Problem solved. No discrimination is happening, and they can "exercise" their beliefs. If they stay in the wedding cake business, they should morally (and hopefully someday, legally) provide it to all couples regardless of their sex.

If they equally sell the things they offer to ALL people, problem solved! They don't do same sex wedding cakes, and they equally do not offer them to everybody!

(Have I missed the part where you responded to my response to your argument that there are no same sex wedding cakes - just wedding cakes?)

[oxmixmudd]

Wow. Do you also believe he faked the moon landings?

There is no corelation. Trump has undermined our relationships with our European allies, ignored direct interference by the Russians with our electoral process, and refuses to speak against putin. He is deeply connected to several Russian people with direct ties to the Kremlin. If trump is not in putins pocket, he may as well be. Because Putin could not ask for much more than he is getting from Donald trump in terms of strengthening Russian position on the world stage.


Jim