SCOTUS & gay wedding cakes

[Cow Poke]

It occurs to me there is a fairly simple way to solve this problem, it's a bit of a compromise for the baker, but it mee
Ts the requirements of the law. The baker simply produces a catalogue of designs or design elements that he will produce. Any customer can, from the specified elements and decorations create any cake they like. The baker then can only offer elements of design that can only lead to wedding symbology that is consistent with his beliefs and the customers can decide if what he offers meets their needs or not.

Jim

Yes, I kinda hinted at that with the Christian Book store - we only stock certain items - we don't sell pentagrams or Qurans..... You can choose from the items we have on display, or in our catalogue. This applies to ANYBODY who walks (or otherwise) comes into the store.

[Zymologist]

Yes, I kinda hinted at that with the Christian Book store - we only stock certain items - we don't sell pentagrams or Qurans..... You can choose from the items we have on display, or in our catalogue. This applies to ANYBODY who walks (or otherwise) comes into the store.

Now I want to go to a Christian book store and ask for their section on occult literature.

[Cow Poke]

Just to be clear - I'm not attempting to read anyone's mind. I simply find the claim, "I didn't vote for - I voted against" a specious claim that belies how elections work, for the reasons I've noted. I didn't like Clinton. I thought she was a poor candidate. I voted for her because I saw her as superior to Trump in basically every measurable way. Doesn't mean I thought she was the most awesome candidate in the world, or that I was a "Clinton supporter." It just means I thought she was better than Trump. That's basically how elections work.

When I voted "for" Trump, I didn't think he had a chance of winning. My vote as a protest vote against Hillary. If, somehow, it makes you happy to insist I voted "for Trump", yeah, technically I did.

Happy?

[Cow Poke]

Carpe's manure spreader tends to malfunction and throw the whole load at once when he ducks out of a conversation.

Hey, that sounds familiar!

[Roy]

When I voted "for" Trump, I didn't think he had a chance of winning.

Be careful what you wish for

[Cow Poke]

Be careful what you wish for

I'm still glad Hillary's not POTUS, and SCOTUS is not Hillary's. But, yeah.

[mossrose]

Now I want to go to a Christian book store and ask for their section on occult literature.

They'll send you to the WoF or NAR section........

[rogue06]

Be careful what you wish for

Pretty sure the MSM, who worked so diligently at getting Trump nominated, would agree.

[rogue06]

Yes, I kinda hinted at that with the Christian Book store - we only stock certain items - we don't sell pentagrams or Qurans..... You can choose from the items we have on display, or in our catalogue. This applies to ANYBODY who walks (or otherwise) comes into the store.

You mean you don't have a Mormon or JW section? Can I sue if y'all refuse to carry pornography?

[Joel]

So why then the distinction between biology and beliefs? Someone could refuse to hire (in an office) people who believe in Islam.

It is not "being mean" to refuse to accept a belief/position that is unjust or discriminatory, Joel. If a man is racist, I can reject his views and challenge them privately and publicly and still be generally respectful. I may have to say hard things, but I don't have to call names or ridicule or condescend to the person. I can simply reject the view as immoral.

As for the second part of your statement, you didn't ask a question, so I'll limit my response to the observation that I see "hiring" as different from "providing a service."

It seems you didn't understand my question. You seemed to claim earlier (post 212) that it is prejudice for a business to refuse to serve someone based on their biology, but not prejudice if based on their belief. But surely someone can prejudicially refuse to hire or refuse to serve someone because they are a Muslim, for example. How is that not prejudicial discrimination?

(The issue wasn't about refusing to accept the beliefs of a Muslim/Republican/etc. Not about challenging the beliefs. But a business refusing to serve them.)

[One Bad Pig]

Yes, I kinda hinted at that with the Christian Book store - we only stock certain items - we don't sell pentagrams or Qurans..... You can choose from the items we have on display, or in our catalogue. This applies to ANYBODY who walks (or otherwise) comes into the store.

They also tend not to stock much of anything I actually want to read (been that way since well before I converted to Orthodoxy).

[oxmixmudd]

When I voted "for" Trump, I didn't think he had a chance of winning. My vote as a protest vote against Hillary. If, somehow, it makes you happy to insist I voted "for Trump", yeah, technically I did.

Happy?

A good number of people I know voted to protest whoever they saw as the worst of the two.

Jim

[rogue06]

A good number of people I know voted to protest whoever they saw as the worst of the two.

Jim

That description appears to fit the overwhelming majority of "Trump supporters" around here.

[One Bad Pig]

A good number of people I know voted to protest whoever they saw as the worst of the two.

Jim

First time it's ever taken me until I was actually voting to decide my vote.

[rogue06]

First time it's ever taken me until I was actually voting to decide my vote.

I knew that I couldn't bring myself to vote for Hillary, so the choice for me was whether I could vote at all (which I couldn't decide on until the last couple of days).